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re: OT Workout crew: What am I doing wrong?

Posted on 2/3/16 at 12:36 pm to
Posted by Artie Rome
Hwy 1
Member since Jul 2014
8757 posts
Posted on 2/3/16 at 12:36 pm to
I do 6-7. But I am not lifting and only trying to lose fat. And cardio is the best choice for that goal.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
58605 posts
Posted on 2/3/16 at 12:38 pm to
It's also great for upping your estrogen levels.
Posted by xxKylexx
Louisiana
Member since Nov 2011
4039 posts
Posted on 2/3/16 at 12:40 pm to
I definitely know I need to do cardio, I just wonder if my cardio machines are enough. I burned 400 calories on the AMT machine last night in just 30 minutes. Though, another thing, should I be doing full body workouts or split body workouts?
Posted by LSUweights
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2014
3543 posts
Posted on 2/3/16 at 12:41 pm to
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I'll defer to my other bros in here




I'm prolly not the best source for cardio since I'm going extreme with everything..
Right now, I'm doing cardio (walking) twice a day, everyday... 20 minutes at 5:30 in the morning on an empty stomach and 20 minutes right after lifting.
When daylight savings time starts, I'll add a third one at 7 pm. (45 min walk)
Posted by Artie Rome
Hwy 1
Member since Jul 2014
8757 posts
Posted on 2/3/16 at 12:44 pm to
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I burned 400 calories on the AMT machine last night in just 30 minutes.


You probably didn't. All machines wildly overestimate calories burned.

ETA: And again, its really about diet.
This post was edited on 2/3/16 at 12:46 pm
Posted by Artie Rome
Hwy 1
Member since Jul 2014
8757 posts
Posted on 2/3/16 at 12:45 pm to
quote:

Right now, I'm doing cardio (walking) twice a day, everyday... 20 minutes at 5:30 in the morning on an empty stomach and 20 minutes right after lifting.


Dude, aren't you worried about your estrogen levels?!?
Posted by Polar Pop
Member since Feb 2012
10748 posts
Posted on 2/3/16 at 12:47 pm to
quote:

150 pound skinny fat


Unfortunately this is what I am. I know I cant really get "big" but any tips for general progression starting at the base level?

Ive got 2 new daughters and I dont need some hard dick jakeleg high school bastards busting my door down and running me over in 15 years.
Posted by LSUweights
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2014
3543 posts
Posted on 2/3/16 at 12:48 pm to
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Dude, aren't you worried about your estrogen levels?!?


I hope this is a joke that I missed...
Posted by AbitaFan08
Boston, MA
Member since Apr 2008
26549 posts
Posted on 2/3/16 at 12:49 pm to
Cardio is important if you're looking to lose weight. It's not the only important thing, obviously, but it's important.

How frequently are you currently running? Distance? Do you have access to rowing machines and bikes as well if your knees are an issue?

If you want to have your arse kicked, put yourself on an aerodyne machine.
This post was edited on 2/3/16 at 12:49 pm
Posted by Artie Rome
Hwy 1
Member since Jul 2014
8757 posts
Posted on 2/3/16 at 12:52 pm to
quote:

I hope this is a joke that I missed...


quote:

I do 6-7 (days of cardio). But I am not lifting and only trying to lose fat. And cardio is the best choice for that goal.


quote:

It's also great for upping your estrogen levels.
Posted by Mo Jeaux
Member since Aug 2008
58605 posts
Posted on 2/3/16 at 12:53 pm to
quote:

Dude, aren't you worried about your estrogen levels?!?


Probably not. Looks like he's lifting too. Enjoy your man boobs.
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 2/3/16 at 12:55 pm to
quote:

Cardio is important if you're looking to lose weight. It's not the only important thing, obviously, but it's important.


Not really. I got to sub 10% bodyfat doing zero cardio. I do cardio now for the health aspect and so I can drink more beer.
Posted by LSUweights
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2014
3543 posts
Posted on 2/3/16 at 12:55 pm to
quote:

How frequently are you currently running?


I don't run at all
Sponsor says no long distance running.. sprints are ok
Long distance running burns a lot of the proteins/muscles in your quadriceps, causing them to lose size


quote:

Distance?


I sacrifice distance for time
Everything cardio is timed.
Distance doesn't matter

quote:

Do you have access to rowing machines and bikes as well if your knees are an issue?


I'll do the bike for 20 mins every now and then to mix it up.
Posted by LSUweights
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2014
3543 posts
Posted on 2/3/16 at 12:57 pm to
wow

Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31013 posts
Posted on 2/3/16 at 12:58 pm to
quote:

Unfortunately this is what I am. I know I cant really get "big" but any tips for general progression starting at the base level?

Ive got 2 new daughters and I dont need some hard dick jakeleg high school bastards busting my door down and running me over in 15 years.


yea get the greyskull lp book and 5/3/1 off of scribd and follow them. Start with gslp and go until you can't make progress anymore which will be atleast a year but prolly longer. then goto 5/3/1 pretty much for the rest of your life. If you just want a quick workout do the north of vag 5/3/1 variation. or do 5/3/1 combined with the gymnastics bodies program if you want to become more athletic and are interested in bodyweight training also.

and read up on iifym and how to eat properly.

for most men over 30 you should just shoot to look good, get strong as shite, and remain athletic
Posted by lsu777
Lake Charles
Member since Jan 2004
31013 posts
Posted on 2/3/16 at 12:59 pm to
exactly many bodybuilders get sub 5% with zero cardio other than walking. Lift heavy and eat correctly and you will get there slowly but surely. just don't listen to that skinny bitch lyle mcdonald(he knows what he is talking about but is a huge douche)
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 2/3/16 at 1:03 pm to
Yeah, I have heard that about him.
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11089 posts
Posted on 2/3/16 at 1:04 pm to
777, what is your take on using diet (via macronutrient composition and micronutrients) to enhance gut bacteria composition as it relates to nutrient harvest in the gut?

The studies that have intrigued me (can't link to some of em) suggest that the calories injested may not be the same as calories utilized by the gut (fat people garner more calories injested in the gut while leaner people do not)

Even more intriguing studies find that if your transfer poop from a lean subject to fat subject and vice/versa, that the recipient assumes the new phenotype (see last link)


quote:

Abstract
Background: Studies in mice indicate that the gut microbiome influences both sides of the energy-balance equation by contributing to nutrient absorption and regulating host genes that affect adiposity. However, it remains uncertain as to what extent gut microbiota are an important regulator of nutrient absorption in humans.

Objective: With the use of a carefully monitored inpatient study cohort, we tested how gut bacterial community structure is affected by altering the nutrient load in lean and obese individuals and whether their microbiota are correlated with the efficiency of dietary energy harvest.

Design: We investigated dynamic changes of gut microbiota during diets that varied in caloric content (2400 compared with 3400 kcal/d) by pyrosequencing bacterial 16S ribosomal RNA (rRNA) genes present in the feces of 12 lean and 9 obese individuals and by measuring ingested and stool calories with the use of bomb calorimetry.

Results: The alteration of the nutrient load induced rapid changes in the gut microbiota. These changes were directly correlated with stool energy loss in lean individuals such that a 20% increase in Firmicutes and a corresponding decrease in Bacteroidetes were associated with an increased energy harvest of ˜150 kcal. A high degree of overfeeding in lean individuals was accompanied by a greater fractional decrease in stool energy loss.

Conclusions: These results show that the nutrient load is a key variable that can influence the gut (fecal) bacterial community structure over short time scales. Furthermore, the observed associations between gut microbes and nutrient absorption indicate a possible role of the human gut microbiota in the regulation of the nutrient harvest. This trial was registered at clinicaltrials.gov as NCT00414063.


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Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18664 posts
Posted on 2/3/16 at 1:04 pm to
quote:

muscle is quite a bit heavier than fat.


People really need to quit saying this. Muscle is more dense.

It's funny because then you say this:
quote:

I'm risking sounding like a dick here but that's not my intention. You cannot transform fat to muscle.




Anyway, I basically have the same issue as the OP. I prefer to lift, but have found that I can't lean up by also dieting. You really have to up the cardio too.
This post was edited on 2/3/16 at 1:07 pm
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11089 posts
Posted on 2/3/16 at 1:09 pm to
A word of caution on traditional cardio...

LINK

quote:

So the lesson is this: ditch the hamster wheel and start sprinting…. Repeatedly. You’ll look and feel much better, and be able to demonstrate it too.

Stay healthy,

Coach Charles R. Poliquin

P.S. Remember Dr. Cooper, founder of the Cooper Institute and founder of the jogging revolution? Fast forward to the 90’-early 2000: his new books now preach against overdoing aerobic work and implementing a weight training regimen. Food for thought!
This post was edited on 2/3/16 at 1:13 pm
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