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re: OT Workout crew: What am I doing wrong?

Posted on 2/3/16 at 1:18 pm to
Posted by Bmath
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Posted on 2/3/16 at 1:18 pm to
I'm not a huge fan of cardio, but it is the only way I've been able to successfully lose weight. I've tried HIIT and running sprints, it's just harder FOR ME to stay consistent with it.

Outside of when I got pushed into training for a half marathon, the best way I lost weight was riding my bike at a moderate to high pace 3-4 days a week.
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 2/3/16 at 1:18 pm to
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ThinePreparedAni


What?
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 2/3/16 at 1:19 pm to
I use to have a long drawn out post I did in a thread that I think I should bring back for the spring. I would also like to look at it again and critique.
Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
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Posted on 2/3/16 at 1:22 pm to
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I'm not a huge fan of cardio, but it is the only way I've been able to successfully lose weight


Have you tried eating less?
Posted by Artie Rome
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Posted on 2/3/16 at 1:22 pm to
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A word of caution on traditional cardio..


All of those articles are talking about the bullshite that is referred to as the "fat burn" heart rate zone. Of course some cow trudging on an elliptical at 90 BPM isn't going to burn much. But 60-75 minutes at 140-150 BPM is going to burn more energy than 20 minutes of HIIT.
Posted by bayourougebengal
Member since Mar 2008
7193 posts
Posted on 2/3/16 at 1:23 pm to
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People really need to quit saying this. Muscle is more dense.

Why do people need to quit saying it? Yes, muscle is more dense. That's the point. OP is trying to cut down and I was explaining to him that his weight on a scale isn't that important because he's doing weight training.


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It's funny because then you say this:
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I'm risking sounding like a dick here but that's not my intention. You cannot transform fat to muscle.


What about that is funny? You can't transform fat to muscle. Fat will always be fast and muscle will always be muscle. You can, however, replace fat mass with muscle mass. Are you really this dumb or are you intentionally trying to be a douche?
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
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Posted on 2/3/16 at 1:24 pm to
Alright I'm going to attempt to help some people by providing some guidelines to meet your fitness goals.

Diet is the MOST important aspect of transformation. You can exercise all you want, if you do not focus on your diet you will not lose fat. Dedication is the key to ALL fitness goals.

- Cutting -

Calorie Calculator

The first thing you need to do is find your maintenance caloric intake. Go search for maintenance calorie calculator. It should include height, weight, age, and activity level.

After you have found your maintenance intake, you need to subtract 500-600 calories from that in your diet. In my example, I have a 2800 calorie maintenance. I need to intake 2200-2300 calories for a nice cut that will allow weight loss but preserve muscle as much as possible. Make sure to track at least a few days of your diet to make sure you are getting the right portion sizes. Scales are very cheap and provide a real eye opener. After about a week or two you will start "seeing" the correct portion sizes. (check every once in awhile to make sure you are not adding a little)

Next, you need to find a style of diet that will be easy to follow. There are Keto's, Intermittent fastings, Cyclic Keto Diets, Palumbo (high protein), or something like a 40%(p)/30%(c)/30(f) diet. I would advise cutting dairy if you are in the least bit lactose intolerant. Keto style diets and all other diets that require a restricted amount of carbs will make you look flat. It will also make you tired for the first 3-4 days. After the 3-4 days, you will feel a constant amount of energy throughout the day.

Most of these diets allow a cheat meal. Read carefully! I said meal not day. I was advised multiple times to eat the cheat meal at night to help control cravings you might have later if you would have eaten at lunch.

- Cardio for cutting -

Cardio type is determined on what style of diet you are running. Keto's and low carb diets require a slow steady state pace at around 120 BPM to allow the body to use the fat as fuel. Over that and you are using your glycogen stores first. Cardio should be run at the minimum of 20 minutes to allow the body to go into fat utilization mode. On diets that carbs are allowed, you may do any style of cardio you wish. HIIT is very popular.


- Bulking -

Take your maintence caloric intake and add at least 500 calories. Do not go way over or you will get fat. Carbs are important for bulking. In my example, I have 2800 for maintenance. I need 3300 calories for a bulk.

- Cardio for bulking -

It is still important to do a little bit of cardio for bulking so you will not gain fat. 20 minutes a few times a week of steady state cardio at 120 BPM should be fine.

- Weight training cutting/bulking -

Weight training should stay the same throughout the entire year. You didn't get those muscles by lowering your weight. Stay as heavy as possible. Some programs are leaned towards strength and some aesthetics.

- Strength -
1- Madcow and Stronglifts 5x5
2- DC Training
3- Rippetoes
4- 5/3/1

- Aesthetics -
1- FST-7
2- HIT (High Intensity Training)
3- HST (Hypertrophy Specific Training)
4- Universal workout of
---M (Back)
---T (Chest)
---W (Legs)
---TR (Shoulders)
---F (Arms)



When training, do not overtrain your muscles. Stick to 3 exercises of 3 sets of 10 reps for the larger muscles (chest/back/legs) and 2 exercises of 3 sets of 10 reps of smaller muscles (arms/shoulders). The specific set/rep ranges of the routine supersede this.

- Supplements -

Supplements are exactly that. They are to supplement your diet not take control. Pre workouts are not necessary, but some need it for the energy. I use it for the energy and itchy feeling. Once I take that shake, I HAVE to go to the gym because if I don't, I will itch like a crazy mf'er.

Protein shakes should be used either pre or post workout with the emphasis on post workout. Add in some Waxy Maize or Dextrose to that if your diet allows it to help with recovery.

Creatine is nice for strength but not needed. If you use the strength programs, creatine is not needed.

Multivitamins are not required if you get the amount you need in your diet. However, most will not get everything needed in their diet so an everyday multi will be nice to have.


I would like some input on how to better this guideline. Thanks and I hope everyone the best!

- HFP
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11090 posts
Posted on 2/3/16 at 1:24 pm to
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What?


Do you even microbiome bro?
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22203 posts
Posted on 2/3/16 at 1:25 pm to
There it is. Critique. Beware... it's pretty perfect. YOU might be wrong!
Posted by Hu_Flung_Pu
Central, LA
Member since Jan 2013
22203 posts
Posted on 2/3/16 at 1:26 pm to
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microbiome


So I googled that and this was the first headline

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Birth of a microbiome: Researchers smear babies with vaginal fluid
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11090 posts
Posted on 2/3/16 at 1:28 pm to
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So I googled that and this was the first headline


You should read more...

It is only one of the biggest avenues of research into health, mood, and human performance.

This post was edited on 2/3/16 at 1:28 pm
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18681 posts
Posted on 2/3/16 at 1:30 pm to
My point is that you said a very common bro science mistake, and then called someone else out for making one.

What weighs more? A ton of feathers, or a ton of rocks?

You seem dense though. I wasn't calling you out on your criticism of his statement about turning fat into muscle.
I just thought it was funny that you were critical of what they said, yet you made a similar incorrect workout statement.
This post was edited on 2/3/16 at 1:33 pm
Posted by ThinePreparedAni
In a sea of cognitive dissonance
Member since Mar 2013
11090 posts
Posted on 2/3/16 at 1:33 pm to
LINK

Article on mood/brain function

I linked an article on dietary implications in prior post above. The implication is that calories in may be an incomplete description of the underlying science

Calories describe/account for the process but do not drive it...
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18681 posts
Posted on 2/3/16 at 1:35 pm to
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avenues of research into health, mood, and human performance.


I've been following it for a while now. A girl in our lab does Microbiome research related to gastric bypass.

I finally researched the different types of probiotics, and decided to start using one.

There are great findings on its promotion of healthy weight, cholesterol, and even mental wellbeing.
Posted by cfbfan#1
Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 2/3/16 at 1:36 pm to
Health at every size!
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18681 posts
Posted on 2/3/16 at 1:37 pm to
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I linked an article on dietary implications in prior post above. The implication is that calories in may be an incomplete description of the underlying science


Indeed, certain microbial communities are more efficient at extracting nutrients than others. Microbes have also been shown to influence your cravings.
Posted by bayourougebengal
Member since Mar 2008
7193 posts
Posted on 2/3/16 at 1:37 pm to
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My point is that you said a very common bro science mistake, and then called someone else out for making one.

What weighs more? A ton of feathers, or a ton of rocks?


No I didn't. Muscle does weigh more than fat, per volume, due to density. That is absolutely a fact. And I didn't call anyone out. The man is clearly looking for advice and some of us in here are giving it. I cleared something up for him so that he would better understand moving forward. You're trying too hard here.
Posted by nolaks
Member since Dec 2013
1137 posts
Posted on 2/3/16 at 1:38 pm to
HFP

I like you're guide. in general every m-fer in the gym would be happier with their appearance if they ate a little cleaner, cut 500 calories and added cardio. I prefer my cardio in 30-45 min durations prior to eating in the morning. For me, that shreds fat like none other. Also, there is no reason to rest in the gym even while heavy lifting. I will air squat in btw bench, or superset tri's with bi's etc.

Only thing I didn't completely agree with was your arm workout. For me I like to actually do more superset with arms.
Posted by Bmath
LA
Member since Aug 2010
18681 posts
Posted on 2/3/16 at 1:45 pm to
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No I didn't.


Dude, from your post:

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That being said, ANY resistance training is going to build some muscle and muscle is quite a bit heavier than fat.


You literally said that.

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You're trying too hard here.


Posted by mouton
Savannah,Ga
Member since Aug 2006
28276 posts
Posted on 2/3/16 at 1:45 pm to
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When training, do not overtrain your muscles. Stick to 3 exercises of 3 sets of 10 reps for the larger muscles (chest/back/legs) and 2 exercises of 3 sets of 10 reps of smaller muscles (arms/shoulders). The specific set/rep ranges of the routine supersede this.


You can do way more volume than that without risking overtraining.
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