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re: OT Historians - Where Was Japan Getting Their Oil from During WWII?
Posted on 5/31/23 at 8:12 am to Cheese Grits
Posted on 5/31/23 at 8:12 am to Cheese Grits
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175 'firemen' shovelled the coal by hand and worked in shifts 24 hours a day.
If you ever watch Top Gear when Clarkson was fireman on a train racing the other guys to Edinburgh, the work looks bloody awful. James drove a Jag which was plush, Richard drove a motorcycle which is probably uncomfortable after an hour or two, and Jeremy shoveled coal the whole time. He was black as night and exhasted when he showed up.
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Posted on 5/31/23 at 8:27 am to AlwysATgr
SIAP
All about Japan and oil needs vs resources during WW2
LINK https://www.histclo.com/essay/war/ww2/stra/w2j-oil.html
All about Japan and oil needs vs resources during WW2
LINK https://www.histclo.com/essay/war/ww2/stra/w2j-oil.html
Posted on 5/31/23 at 10:32 am to AlwysATgr
Dutch East Indies (modern day Indonesia) is where they went for it after the US embargoed them.
Posted on 5/31/23 at 10:50 am to CornbreadFed
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Yet they were winning before Lend Lease took effect? Stop choking on the anti Ivan bandwagon dildo
that is playing pretty loose with the definition of winning. Stalingrad started in august of 1942
Bill was signed in 41 and Russia started receiving a small % of the overall that year. By 42 it was ramping up receiving 14% of the total supplied during the war.
their ability to fuel and feed their troops for the coming offensives were very much dependent on lend lease
This post was edited on 5/31/23 at 10:52 am
Posted on 5/31/23 at 10:57 am to tadman
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Jeremy shoveled coal the whole time. He was black as night and exhasted when he showed up.
I shovel coal into basements when I was young and you still had those huge home furnaces. Was not shoveling directly into a fire (imagine this would be hot as hell) nor was I shoveling for an 8 to 12 hour day and was still worn out. Generations before us were hard as a coffin nail to do that work before 40 hour week, overtime, benefits, and vacations.
Posted on 5/31/23 at 11:15 am to BeepNode
The first 4 pages of this were very entertaining. I can't wait to read the next 3!
Thank you Darth and others for your work. Thanks to Russian for the lolz. Maybe he should stick to the money board.
Thank you Darth and others for your work. Thanks to Russian for the lolz. Maybe he should stick to the money board.
Posted on 5/31/23 at 11:19 am to CornbreadFed
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You literally can’t refute the claim. Typical Holocaust denier at its best.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 8:25 am to Cheese Grits
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Generations before us were hard as a coffin nail to do that work before 40 hour week, overtime, benefits, and vacations.
From what I understand that was more like 80 hours a week of hard labor.
I've been on jobsites for 4-6 days where we have to babysit the project (keep the office folks from getting too involved directing and harassing the crews) and at 10 hours/day for 5-6 day that has me tired. I can't imagine shovelling coal for more than that. Each week!!!
Posted on 6/1/23 at 8:28 am to Oilfieldbiology
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The US I believe. The embargo on selling them oil is what forced them to attack and declare war on us
According to the documentary on Memorial Day, this is the correct answer. They attacked Pearl Harbor to cripple our Navy so they could invade the Philippines and get oil from there.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 9:03 am to REB BEER
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The US I believe. The embargo on selling them oil is what forced them to attack and declare war on us
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According to the documentary on Memorial Day, this is the correct answer. They attacked Pearl Harbor to cripple our Navy so they could invade the Philippines and get oil from there.
A bit more to it than that. The U.S. embargoed oil and scrap metal; US scrap metal was of better quality than what Japan could do for themselves. The U.S. also froze Japanese assets in the US. These were an effort to force Japan to give up it's conquest in Asia. Japan had started modernizing in the late 1800's and won two wars against to larger powers, China and Russia. They believed themselves to be the legitimate power in Asia and that the time had come for the Western Powers to butt out.
So, as another poster said, they were faced with either giving up their ambitions of Asian Hegemony or eliminate the US as an immediate threat to secure other sources of war making materials (rubber, oil, iron). The Philippines were directly between Malaya/Dutch East Indies and Japan, so it had to be neutralized. Hawaii harbored the US Pacific Fleet, so it had to go too. Instead of cowing the US into staying out of it, it galvanized them to stop Japan. Japan sourced its oil and rubber from Malaya and Dutch East Indies up until US commerce raiding via their submarine campaign crippled Japan's merchant fleet in 1944.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 11:00 am to tadman
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From what I understand that was more like 80 hours a week of hard labor.
They say life expectancies are actually starting to drop as the decline in hard work will kill folks sooner.
Posted on 6/1/23 at 1:21 pm to LSURussian
Sometimes I think we should have let the communists and fascists kill each other and then mop up what was left.
Posted on 11/1/24 at 5:25 am to AlwysATgr
Java and Sumatra is where its oil come from in WWII. The Sumatran crude was depleted completely a couple of decades ago. It was a heavy high paraffin wax crude which could be burned directly into the boilers of its ships. The oil looked like black shoe polish at room temperature. Heated to above 128 degrees it flowed easily.
Royal Dutch had developed the Java fields as its main supply before it combined with Shell Trading and Transport.
US Submarines effectively shut these sources off during WWII along with other products like rubber.
Royal Dutch had developed the Java fields as its main supply before it combined with Shell Trading and Transport.
US Submarines effectively shut these sources off during WWII along with other products like rubber.
Posted on 11/1/24 at 7:30 am to Darth_Vader
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I have over four decades of deep study of history with an emphasis on WWII.
This is a question I have often pondered.
Do you think there was any lingering resentment from the Japanese toward the US resulting from the Perry Expedition?
It was 90+ years prior to Pearl Harbor. Just something I've thought about.
Posted on 11/1/24 at 7:31 am to SixthAndBarone
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I was under the impression that the US embargoed them and that’s why they attacked Pearl.
Posted on 11/1/24 at 8:00 am to AlwysATgr
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What I'm asking is that after we turned their supply off where did they get oil then?
A lot of it came from the Dutch East Indies, now known as Indonesia.
What a random thread bump
This post was edited on 11/1/24 at 8:03 am
Posted on 11/1/24 at 8:05 am to OWLFAN86
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Conquered/occupied land Indonesia Burma China
Java
Posted on 11/1/24 at 8:07 am to Oilfieldbiology
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The embargo on selling them oil is what forced them to attack and declare war on us
Did it work? Did they receive a source of energy back?
Posted on 11/1/24 at 8:16 am to VADawg
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What a random thread bump
Yeah, I saw it on Page 1 and never bothered to look at the date.
Holy Necrobump, Batman!
Posted on 11/1/24 at 8:17 am to AlwysATgr
Down there around Singapore/Indonesia.
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