re: OT docs the FDA recognized you have the authority to prescribe ivermectin for COVID.

Horse paste for the win.

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Tons…which is why Veterinarians have DEA numbers and can prescribe meds at any “human” pharmacy.

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My old boxer (may she rest in peace) had to take human heart medication daily because her heart would just randomly stop beating and make her pass out.

I had to pick up the prescription monthly from Walgreens.

Amoxicillin and prednisone are also prescribed to dogs.

I'm not sure what that guy is getting at with his question.

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“During Covid,” we met an Ochsner doc (Ascension Parish if I recall), who said he didn’t disbelieve IVM is effective. His issue was the dose was so large it could have bad side affects, so he couldn’t in good conscience prescribe it. Was he just trying to appease but not prescribe? I don’t know, but it seems the low dose horse paste and pills from India, etc. worked.

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The biggest issue with the medical community during COVID was the one track authoritarian train of thought. People in positions of authority took the position of it's my way or the highway.

That is just not science. That is anti-science.

Saying you have the authority and saying it’s appropriate/evidence based are two different things. We use lots of meds off label because we have the authority to do so (ie, having prescriptive authority). In the absence of evidence we use things off label that may provide benefit. Numerous well-designed RCTs have failed to show a benefit to ivermectin in mortality rates (no, that one bozo study from Brazil doesn’t count). We had an NP at our ER discharge a guy on ivermectin because he refused admission and all other treatments because his friends took it and got better (like most people do from Covid). He was married to our best unit secretary, and I pleaded with him to stay (he wasn’t my patient but you could tell he was unwell and at least needed observation). He insisted ivermectin would work since it “worked” for his friends. Bounced back a few days later, intubated, ICU, organ failure, and sadly passed away. Monoclonal antibodies were available at that time.

For those who are curious, summary of the major studies can be found here.

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What other medicine is used so effectively on dogs, livestock and humans.

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A ton of meds.

Antibiotics, diuretics, anti fungals, cardiac meds, the list goes on and on.

With all due respect without knowing what he was given in the hospital, this can’t be blamed on ivermectin. Also if drs had been allowed to prescribe it without fear of losing their license you wouldn’t have people trying to figure out dosing themselves. There was nothing to suggest it was unsafe to try except pharmaceutical companies and their cronies who couldn’t profit from it.

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With all due respect without knowing what he was given in the hospital, this can’t be blamed on ivermectin. Also if drs had been allowed to prescribe it without fear of losing their license you wouldn’t have people trying to figure out dosing themselves. There was nothing to suggest it was unsafe to try except pharmaceutical companies and their cronies who couldn’t profit from it.

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I’m not blaming ivermectin, I’m blaming the patient buying into the hoopla around it, without evidence of it working, while eschewing more evidence based treatment options. Overall I think ivermectin is pretty harmless. Even theoretically though for the drug to have an antiviral effect you would need to increase the dose 100x, at which point side effects become a greater concern obviously.

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cwil177

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Man you are just an ER doc, you have no place in here with the other experts around

Sure there are, still doesnt mean you should ever take them willy-nilly. I'd rather not take something dosed for an animal twice my size like I figure you'd get in a tractor supply store.

We know what sheep like you take