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OT attorneys, have you read the Verified Complaint filed yesterday by Amy Wax yet?
Posted on 1/17/25 at 1:15 pm
Posted on 1/17/25 at 1:15 pm
Yes, you, SFP, and anyone else who wants to chime in. What are your feelings about this? (And obviously use lots of legalese to correct my summary below).
Simian Primer:
Wax is/was a law professor at Penn who made objectively truthful (It doesn't seem that their veracity was ever questioned) statements about the outcomes of DEI admissions policies.
The Dean believes it is racist to point out that unqualified minorities fare poorly in law school. He and Penn took unusual steps to punish her for saying that, and in my opinion, which is not clouded by 3 years of law school, are going to get crushed. It also appears that Penn is not similarly offended when pro Palestine faculty are quoted saying much more inflammatory things about Jews.
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Simian Primer:
Wax is/was a law professor at Penn who made objectively truthful (It doesn't seem that their veracity was ever questioned) statements about the outcomes of DEI admissions policies.
The Dean believes it is racist to point out that unqualified minorities fare poorly in law school. He and Penn took unusual steps to punish her for saying that, and in my opinion, which is not clouded by 3 years of law school, are going to get crushed. It also appears that Penn is not similarly offended when pro Palestine faculty are quoted saying much more inflammatory things about Jews.
LINK
This post was edited on 1/17/25 at 1:18 pm
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Posted on 1/17/25 at 1:16 pm to Evolved Simian
Posted on 1/17/25 at 1:18 pm to FearTheFish
Thanks
Posted on 1/17/25 at 2:03 pm to Evolved Simian
First off, Oldmanbeasley loves a good primer. Secondly, Penn is about to get waxed.
Posted on 1/17/25 at 2:06 pm to Evolved Simian
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The Dean believes it is racist to point out that unqualified minorities fare poorly in law school.
Ok so change it to
quote:
unqualified people fare poorly in law school.
Still true.
ETA You shouldn’t be putting any unqualified person somewhere they don’t belong regardless of their race.
This post was edited on 1/17/25 at 2:07 pm
Posted on 1/17/25 at 2:15 pm to Evolved Simian
She’s not wrong and I hope she wins. Unqualified doesn’t get a free ride in no matter their color.
Posted on 1/17/25 at 2:27 pm to Evolved Simian
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On July 1, 2001, Plaintiff Wax joined the faculty of Penn (now Penn
Carey) Law School with tenur
quote:
“I don’t think I’ve ever seen a Black student graduate in the top quarter of the class, and rarely, rarely in the top half.”
Wonder if they will provide the racial makeup of the graduating classes for the past 24 years and how many times a black student finished in the top 25% or 50% of their graduating class
Posted on 1/17/25 at 2:34 pm to Weekend Warrior79
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Wonder if they will provide the racial makeup of the graduating classes for the past 24 years and how many times a black student finished in the top 25% or 50% of their graduating class
I'd think so, but Penn never questioned whether the statement was truthful. (apparently it was). They said it harmed these unqualified minorities to speak that truth publicly.
Posted on 1/17/25 at 3:16 pm to Evolved Simian
Glenn Loury has been all over this. Wax DNGAF.
Posted on 1/17/25 at 3:41 pm to Evolved Simian
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In an interview last September on the online video chat platform Bloggingheads, Wax told host Glenn Loury that Penn’s affirmative action policies had negative consequences for beneficiary students themselves.
“Here’s a very inconvenient fact, Glenn: I don’t think I’ve ever seen a black student graduate in the top quarter of the class, and rarely, rarely, in the top half,” she said.
She went on to say that the prestigious and exclusive Penn Law Review had a “diversity mandate.”
quote:Forward - Jewish. Independent. Nonprofit.
University of Pennsylvania Law School Dean Theodore Ruger responded, "Black students have graduated in the top of the class at Penn Law, and the Law Review does not have a diversity mandate. Rather, its editors are selected based on a competitive process."
Posted on 1/17/25 at 4:20 pm to Salviati
I expect, since they didn't say any of that in the disciplinary action, that he was lying.
Posted on 1/17/25 at 4:33 pm to Evolved Simian
stating the obvious but it's not just law schools and not just Penn.
my wife had minorities graduate professional school with her but never could pass the licensing exam. (the "boards"). were eased through 4 yrs of school but still not capable.
my wife had minorities graduate professional school with her but never could pass the licensing exam. (the "boards"). were eased through 4 yrs of school but still not capable.
Posted on 1/17/25 at 4:34 pm to Big Scrub TX
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Glenn Loury has been all over this.
John McWhorter was on his show a few years ago and they were talking about that.
Elite law schools are full of kids who went to private schools and have Lawyer uncles.
To graduate at the top of those classes is impressive, and historically out of reach for most law students who aren't prepared in the same way.
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