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Posted on 7/1/22 at 1:37 pm
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 7/1/22 at 1:37 pm
On a flight AC didn't work on tarmac.

My question as we get in altitude it allows cooler air?

How does pressurized cabin work is there outside air coming in? I guess it has to or we would die
Posted by Vamos Brandonos
Member since Mar 2022
1021 posts
Posted on 7/1/22 at 1:39 pm to
Probably just turned off while idling to save power and fuel.
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 7/1/22 at 1:40 pm to
quote:

Probably just turned off while idling to save power and fuel.


Good point

Aren't the hooked up to electric at gate?
Posted by Poohter
SW, Mo.
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 7/1/22 at 1:41 pm to
Planes on the ground have to either have the engine running, the APU running or be plugged into ground power and air.
Some APU's can't handle the load for an A/C so have to have a ground A/C unit plugged in. There were probably no ground units available and you can't have the engines running while boarding but the engines would be running the A/C system while in flight.
Posted by thelawnwranglers
Member since Sep 2007
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Posted on 7/1/22 at 1:42 pm to
quote:

Planes on the ground have to either have the engine running, the APU running or be plugged into ground power and air.
Some APU's can't handle the load for an A/C so have to have a ground A/C unit plugged in. There were probably no ground units available and you can't have the engines running while boarding but the engines would be running the A/C system while in flight.


Thanks

When we are at altitude does it need AC?
Posted by OchoDedos
Republic of Texas
Member since Oct 2014
39359 posts
Posted on 7/1/22 at 1:44 pm to
Should have been a towed power unit providing AC on the ramp.
Posted by VolsOut4Harambe
Atlanta, GA
Member since Sep 2017
13730 posts
Posted on 7/1/22 at 1:45 pm to
Pilot baw opened the window at speed to save a little gas.
Posted by Poohter
SW, Mo.
Member since Sep 2009
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Posted on 7/1/22 at 1:45 pm to
At altitude, the air is recirculated just like at home. It is probably heated at that point but controlled in the cockpit along with pressure.
I am not a pilot but I was trained on commercial jet's APU way back when I was on a ground crew.
Posted by cable
Member since Oct 2018
9735 posts
Posted on 7/1/22 at 1:50 pm to
dude - there's not sufficient air pressure at 35k feet - the cabin is pressurized.
Posted by choppadocta
Louisiana
Member since May 2014
2408 posts
Posted on 7/1/22 at 2:40 pm to
Air is bled off the engines to pressurize the cabin and provide heating and cooling it's called bleed air. The cabin crew selects the temperature. Cabin outflow valves allow for the pressurized air two exit the cabin so it doesn't blow up like a balloon that you put too much air into. These outflow valves are controlled by the pressurization controller in the cockpit which allows the captain to select what altitude your cabin will be at.
Posted by shutterspeed
MS Gulf Coast
Member since May 2007
70657 posts
Posted on 7/1/22 at 3:20 pm to
At altitude, farts are converted to A/C.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 7/1/22 at 3:23 pm to
quote:

These outflow valves are controlled by the pressurization controller in the cockpit which allows the captain to select what altitude your cabin will be at.

For long flights, I kinda wish the pilot could set the cabin altitude high enough to make me pass out, but not so high to hurt me. Then an hour before we land, drop the altitude in the cabin so we all wake up refreshed.

The airlines would save money because they wouldn't have to worry about cokes and snacks and they would save money on fuel because they wouldn't have to compress and carry all that air inside.
This post was edited on 7/1/22 at 3:26 pm
Posted by not Jack
Texas
Member since Jan 2018
488 posts
Posted on 7/1/22 at 5:04 pm to
Genius!
Posted by Baw Vivant
Member since Mar 2022
223 posts
Posted on 7/1/22 at 5:09 pm to
quote:

At altitude, the air is recirculated just like at home. It is probably heated at that point but controlled in the cockpit along with pressure.


Incorrect. Most of the air you breathe while flying in an airplane is fresh air from the outside. People don’t think that be like it is, but it do.
Posted by TheFlyingTiger
Member since Oct 2009
4128 posts
Posted on 7/1/22 at 5:22 pm to
quote:

When we are at altitude does it need AC


When the engines are running they "bleed" very hot air off the compressor sections for pressurization and environmental air. It's put through an air cycle machine that rapidly expands the air a few times(makes it colder), adds in a little moisture and mixes some hot air back in based on what the controller asks for.

It's a constant inflow of air, and there are usually 2 or 3 outflow valves that meter the outflow to control pressure.

None of the airliners you ride on have AC like freon air, some smaller private jets do.

An exception to all this is the 787 that runs all of this, including brakes and hydraulics electrically, no bleed systems, no Hydraulic accessories dragging on the motors. Just electric stuff. Pretty amazing airplane
This post was edited on 7/1/22 at 5:28 pm
Posted by Chicken
Jackassistan
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Posted on 7/1/22 at 5:35 pm to
FlyingTiger, you commercial or private pilot?
Posted by TheFlyingTiger
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Posted on 7/1/22 at 5:46 pm to
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This post was edited on 7/1/22 at 5:48 pm
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Posted on 7/1/22 at 5:48 pm to
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Posted by hottub
Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 7/1/22 at 5:49 pm to
Auxiliary Power Unit or APU, which is a small jet engine used for electrics and pneumatic functions on the ground and in some cases, electrics airborne, was most likely “deferred” or not working properly.

Most aircraft use the bleed air from the APU to start the remaining engines or if the APU is “deferred” the crew will use an air cart to start one engine and then crossbleed air to start the other engine(s).

Once the engines are started, the APU is generally shutdown and the engines provide electrics and pneumatics for the aircraft.

Pressurization and air conditioning while airborne is done by pulling air out of the engine at one of the various stages(with each engine model, it happens at different stages). The air is used to pressurize, control cabin air temp, and provide anti-ice, if needed

The hot air is routed through a “pack” that mixes cold outside air and hot air from the engine to meet the desired temperature for the cabin. It goes thru a filtration system and then to the front of the cabin and out the back thru an “outflow valve”.

To my knowledge, cabin air is not recirculated on many, if any, aircraft.
Posted by JudgeHolden
Gila River
Member since Jan 2008
18566 posts
Posted on 7/1/22 at 5:51 pm to
quote:

When we are at altitude does it need AC?


It’s pretty cold at angels 30.
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