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re: online exams in college - how do they prevent cheating?

Posted on 6/27/20 at 6:53 pm to
Posted by 9Fiddy
19th Hole
Member since Jan 2007
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Posted on 6/27/20 at 6:53 pm to
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Is it really "cheating" if that is exactly how you do it these days in the real world?

Of course you are looking up the answers for an online college class. Are you kidding me I wouldn't spend even a second worrying about an online college test.

Thats all we are doing out here in the real world anyway. I google how to accountant right every day and I have my CPA.

Its all a scam


This. I guess my school was cheap but I got my degree online. Never a single proctor. I still learned the material so I knew most of the answers, but I think most of my professors mailed it in. Over 80% of my tests were straight off Quizlet.

All I had to do was google the question + quizlet and got the answer over 95% of the time.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 6/27/20 at 6:54 pm to
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am I missing something or is there newer software these days to help prevent?



They typically make the test short enough and complicated enough that you have to know the material and recall. Beforehand I typically had to go through the book and highlight what I thought might be on the test.

Some of my classes that had online texts had the functionality to turn off the search feature as well (even on the Cengage app).

Others gave you the option of going to a nearby campus to take it in person and proctored. And it usually cost to do so.

My tests online were typically tougher than the ones I took in person. As was the work I did for the course. But I was also taking classes that consisted of content that translated well online.
Posted by YF12
Ottobaan
Member since Nov 2019
4451 posts
Posted on 6/27/20 at 6:55 pm to
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do I want a doctor that can critically thinks about my case or one that uses webMD?



I have bad news for you

They use a super secret version of webMD that is super secret and not at all like using webMD.

And since you need to login and use the totally not webMD its super secret and not at all webMD.
Posted by 9Fiddy
19th Hole
Member since Jan 2007
67155 posts
Posted on 6/27/20 at 6:55 pm to
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do I want a doctor that can critically thinks about my case or one that uses webMD?


Obviously not, but I also don’t want a doctor who got his degree online.

But for business management or something similar, who gives a shite?
Posted by Dragula
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Member since Jun 2020
7012 posts
Posted on 6/27/20 at 6:56 pm to
Locked browser and video monitored by a human
Posted by EA6B
TX
Member since Dec 2012
14754 posts
Posted on 6/27/20 at 6:56 pm to
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Uhhhh. Pretty sure I can google a math problem faster than you can cipher one. Y’all know there’s apps that take a picture of the problem/equation and solve them, right?


Pretty sure you have never had to solve a problem in engineering or anything beyond intro to physics, solving a equation is only like 1 percent of the problem.

I taught college math and physics, I gave open book tests, and the students were free to bring any other reference they wanted, even with the apps available today, without a thorough understanding of the material you would not be able to pass my tests in the allotted time.
Posted by JAlohaM
Member since Oct 2019
397 posts
Posted on 6/27/20 at 7:32 pm to
I’d be willing to bet I’m more educated than a “teacher” like yourself. From what I’ve seen anybody can be a teacher these days.

Want a cookie for creating a stupid arse test that sounds more like busy work than anything else? “Hey you got the right answer but failed my social experiment!”

The question wasn’t about your open book tests, Professor Plum, it was about online exams.
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
21849 posts
Posted on 6/27/20 at 7:49 pm to
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From what I’ve seen anybody can be a teacher these days


I guess I would also have this opinion if I never stepped foot in a classroom.
Posted by Chef Curry
Member since Mar 2019
3168 posts
Posted on 6/27/20 at 7:59 pm to
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No.
Online School is bullshite.


All college is bullshite, unless you major in something specialized like medical or engineering. I learned way more on the job than I did in college. Especially when you consider that 60% of the classes aren’t even applicable to your job.
Posted by MickeyLikesDags21
Member since Apr 2019
6641 posts
Posted on 6/27/20 at 8:10 pm to
Honor lock. They make you scan the entire room with your Webcam before hand, watch you the whole exam & you have to give them access to your screen. If your eyes look away from the screen too long it's flagged and it's a fail. If you look at a phone it's a fail. If someone screams outside your door it's a fail.

Other classes don't give a shite & they'll just make it open book with a timer.. Those are always harder anyways.
Posted by armsdealer
Member since Feb 2016
12337 posts
Posted on 6/27/20 at 8:18 pm to
I took an online Microbiology course last fall. They didn't proctor exams and left them open book but there was NO way to look up the answer or google the test in the time allowed. The teacher did not use test bank questions for the tests. It was paired with an in person microbiology lab with the same teacher, the same material was covered in both classes, just in more detail.

Now this past semester with Covid everything was moved online at the last second. One teacher didn't care too much and just made the class open book. 90% of the class was based on writings so it didn't help, it was an ethics class, just a junk filler class. I had one class that the teacher was paranoid about cheating... because they used test bank questions, which it almost doesn't make sense to "write" new questions for a science based course when tried and true questions are available with performance data. These test were done on lockdown browsers, proctored through the webcam and timed. Before the test you had to scan the room you were in, scan the table you put the computer on, show your wrists for any smart devices and you did it again when the test was over. Nobody was allowed in the room and you could have any screened devices in the room with you, no TV, nothing. You could not go back and review the test, once you answered a question you couldn't go back. They were not proctored live... that cost a lot of money, about $35-$40 per test taken. They were suppose to review just exceptions but someone at the school decided to make them go back and manually review all the tests we took. It delayed grades being reported by two weeks.

This upcoming semester as of now science labs will be held in person, didactic content will be live online and things are up in the air about field work.
Posted by ElRoos
Member since Nov 2017
7924 posts
Posted on 6/27/20 at 8:24 pm to
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It’s timed. If you don’t know the answers, it’s going to take you awhile to look them up. Especially if it’s a math problem or essay answer.



Just have the right documents/websites ahead of time and you'll be fine.
Posted by YogaPants
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
4704 posts
Posted on 6/27/20 at 8:30 pm to
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Now this past semester with Covid everything was moved online at the last second. One teacher didn't care too much and just made the class open book. 90% of the class was based on writings so it didn't help, it was an ethics class, just a junk filler class. I had one class that the teacher was paranoid about cheating... because they used test bank questions, which it almost doesn't make sense to "write" new questions for a science based course when tried and true questions are available with performance data. These test were done on lockdown browsers, proctored through the webcam and timed. Before the test you had to scan the room you were in, scan the table you put the computer on, show your wrists for any smart devices and you did it again when the test was over. Nobody was allowed in the room and you could have any screened devices in the room with you, no TV, nothing. You could not go back and review the test, once you answered a question you couldn't go back. They were not proctored live... that cost a lot of money, about $35-$40 per test taken. They were suppose to review just exceptions but someone at the school decided to make them go back and manually review all the tests we took. It delayed grades being reported by two weeks.


You basically solved my intrigue of the subject, nice job
Posted by ksayetiger
Centenary Gents
Member since Jul 2007
70474 posts
Posted on 6/27/20 at 8:32 pm to
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They use a super secret version of webMD that is super secret and not at all like using webMD.

And since you need to login and use the totally not webMD its super secret and not at all webMD.


yeah, my wife has that.

but she still has to have a brain with knowledge to use it effectively.
Posted by Jim Rockford
Member since May 2011
106150 posts
Posted on 6/27/20 at 8:42 pm to
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i mean let's be honest... online testing is nowhere near as legit as when the professor walked around the classroom and i had the formulas wrote under the cover of my TI calculator, now that was a challenge


I was taking an econ final in Lockett one time and was seized with the worst stomach cramps in my life. I put my pencil down, went up to the teacher (who also happened to be the Dean of the business school: Lamar Jones, TYFS) and told him he could fail me if he wanted to, but if I didn't go take a shite right now this would be a final nobody in the room would ever forget. He let me go and come back to finish it. I guess the cold sweat and blood drained from my face sold it.
Posted by Ssubba
Member since Oct 2014
7545 posts
Posted on 6/27/20 at 8:51 pm to
You really can't cheat in engineering classes. Math is just a tool you're using. You probably have an equation sheet anyway. Now if it's a Calculus class you can easily cheat using Wolframalpha, but you would likely be using a good proctor system.
Posted by jac1280
Member since Dec 2007
5380 posts
Posted on 6/27/20 at 9:18 pm to
I teach high school math, Algebra 2 and Pre-Calc, to be specific. During the online learning when I gave a test, I made them take it live on a Zoom session with their video and audio active. If their video or audio got turned off, I froze their test until it was active again. It was incredible how the test scores came back to the mean once I started enforcing those policies instead of just giving them a 72 hour window to take it on their own time.
Posted by lsuwins3
Member since Nov 2008
1978 posts
Posted on 6/27/20 at 9:47 pm to
“ Honor lock. They make you scan the entire room with your Webcam before hand, watch you the whole exam & you have to give them access to your screen. If your eyes look away from the screen too long it's flagged and it's a fail. If you look at a phone it's a fail. If someone screams outside your door it's a fail. ”

This. My daughter who is a student at LSU was home for finals and I had to go in the other room because if I made a noise they would fail her.
Posted by ExtraGravy
Member since Nov 2018
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Posted on 6/27/20 at 9:53 pm to
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This post was edited on 2/15/21 at 11:16 am
Posted by tiggerthetooth
Big Momma's House
Member since Oct 2010
64723 posts
Posted on 6/27/20 at 9:55 pm to
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Now if it's a Calculus class you can easily cheat using Wolframalpha,



Calculus isnt hard enough IMO and wolfram doesnt give you all of the steps to an answer.
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