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On this day in WW2, the US and Germans fought together in the Battle of Castle Itter

Posted on 5/5/23 at 10:31 am
Posted by Frac the world
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Posted on 5/5/23 at 10:31 am
The Battle of Castle Itter was fought on 5 May 1945, in the Austrian village of Itter in the North Tyrol region of the country, during the last days of the European Theater of World War II.

Troops of the 23rd Tank Battalion of the 12th Armored Division of the US XXI Corps led by Lieut. John C. "Jack" Lee, Jr., a number of Wehrmacht soldiers led by Major Josef "Sepp" Gangl, SS-Hauptsturmführer Kurt-Siegfried Schrader, and recently freed French prisoners of war defended Castle Itter against an attacking force from the 17th SS Panzergrenadier Division until relief from the American 142nd Infantry Regiment of the 36th Division of XXI Corps arrived.

The French prisoners included former prime ministers, generals, tennis star Jean Borotra, and Charles de Gaulle's sister. It is one of two known times during the war in which Americans and Germans fought side by side, the other being Operation Cowboy. Popular accounts of the battle have called it the strangest battle of World War II

Shortly after the arrival of the reinforcements, a force of 100–150 Waffen-SS soldiers led by Georg Bochmann, who had been occupying some hills near the town, decided to launch an attack. Lee had ordered the French prisoners to hide, but they remained outside and fought alongside the American and Wehrmacht soldiers.

Aware that he had been unable to give the 142nd complete information on the enemy and its disposition before communications had been severed, Lee accepted tennis star Borotra's offer to vault the castle wall and run the gauntlet of SS strongpoints and ambushes to deliver it. The tennis star was recognized by René Lévesque, a French Canadian reporter embedded with the 142nd and later Premier of Quebec. Borotra asked for an American military uniform, then joined the force as it made haste to reach the prison before its defenders fired their last rounds of ammunition.

The relief force arrived around 16:00, and the SS were promptly defeated. Some 100 SS prisoners were reportedly taken. The French prisoners were evacuated towards France that evening, reaching Paris on 10 May.

Wehrmacht Major Josef Gangl was the sole defender to die during the battle, though four others were wounded. Gangl died during the battle from a sniper rifle bullet while trying to move former French Prime Minister Paul Reynaud out of harm's way The battle was fought five days after Adolf Hitler had committed suicide and only two days before the signing of Germany's unconditional surrender.

Had to be weird as shite for American GI's to team up with the Wehrmacht and a French tennis player to fight off the Waffen SS.
Posted by Epaminondas
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Posted on 5/5/23 at 11:05 am to
Legit CSB.

Why were the Wehrmacht soldiers fighting on the Allies side?
Posted by Tortious
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Posted on 5/5/23 at 11:28 am to
The Last Battle by Stephen Harding is about this and it is an excellent read.
Posted by Damone
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Posted on 5/5/23 at 11:29 am to
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Why were the Wehrmacht soldiers fighting on the Allies side?

Wehrmacht =/= SS

An American corollary would be normal Army troops versus fanatical, true believer CIA agents. While the former would surrender to live another day, the latter would die to the last man.
Posted by Rex Feral
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Posted on 5/5/23 at 11:38 am to
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Wehrmacht =/= SS



Always found it odd that the Nazis had two armies fighting for them. The SS started out as Hitler's personal bodyguards and morphed into its own army. Can you imagine how many resources were wasted on duplicate duties by each fighting force?
Posted by jbgleason
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Posted on 5/5/23 at 11:43 am to
They needed a group willing to line people up in front of open trenches and shoot them in the back. You don't get that from normal army troops.
Posted by tigeraddict
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Posted on 5/5/23 at 11:47 am to
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Always found it odd that the Nazis had two armies fighting for them.


the Luftwaffe had its own army as well.

WIKI FJ
Posted by therick711
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Posted on 5/5/23 at 11:59 am to
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Why were the Wehrmacht soldiers fighting on the Allies side?


I had the same question. Based on a tiny bit of research, they had defied a retreat order, and it appears, decided to become resistance forces/traitors depending on what side you view it from. I'd love more information on it, if anyone can point me to a decent source.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Member since Dec 2011
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Posted on 5/5/23 at 12:33 pm to
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Always found it odd that the Nazis had two armies fighting for them. The SS started out as Hitler's personal bodyguards and morphed into its own army. Can you imagine how many resources were wasted on duplicate duties by each fighting force?


Hitler & Himmler planned for the Waffen SS to eventually replace the Wehrmacht after the war.

There were two branches to the SS:
1. Allgemein SS “General SS”
2. Waffen SS “Armed SS”

The Allgemein SS was the administration and policing part of the SS. They ran the concentration camps.

The Waffen SS was the paramilitary wing of the SS. Some units were originally drawn from the Allgemein SS, like 1st SS Panzer Div Leibstandarte, drawn from Hilter’s body guard & 3rd SS Panzer division Totenkopf drawn from the concentration camp guards. Most other Waffen SS divisions were recruited from the start as paramilitary divisions, staffed by SS officers and placed under the command of the Heer.
Posted by Darth_Vader
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Posted on 5/5/23 at 12:36 pm to
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the Luftwaffe had its own army as well.

WIKI FJ


It wasn’t just the Fallschirmjäger either. There was the Herman Göering Panzer Division that fought in Italy. And later in the war, as there was less need for bomber formations, there were also Luftwaffe Field Divisions. Though they tended to be poorly trained and ill equipped.
Posted by el Gaucho
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Posted on 5/5/23 at 12:38 pm to
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American GI's to team up with the Wehrmacht

They literally did this for 4 years when the nazi drumph was president
Posted by Richard Grayson
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Posted on 5/5/23 at 12:41 pm to
HAAH. Nice one Gaucho.
Posted by TejasHorn
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Member since Mar 2007
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Posted on 5/5/23 at 12:48 pm to
Switching sides was fairly common on the eastern front, especially in Ukraine.

10s of thousands of Russian “hiwis” fought with the Wehrmacht and were almost universally complemented for their bravery. There were countless oddities in that colossal war, many of which we may never get the full story on.

Of course they were not treated well once the war turned.
Posted by 6R12
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Posted on 5/5/23 at 12:58 pm to
Had to be weird for sure
Posted by Tigers2010a
Member since Jul 2021
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Posted on 5/5/23 at 1:09 pm to
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They literally did this for 4 years when the nazi drumph was president


You have got to be a tranny.
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