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re: On this day 157 years ago, William T. Sherman presented Savannah, GA to Lincoln...
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:09 am to SCLibertarian
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:09 am to SCLibertarian
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So the Constitution isn't valid? Only white landowners ratified that.
Confederate state constitutions aren’t valid anymore than their worthless currency. Restricting voting rights to half of the population isn’t democracy. Sorry sweety. You’re ideology is dated by about 150+ years.
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You're parroting the same language the social justice crowd uses to excuse destroying the philosophical foundations of this country.
“Everyone who doesn’t agree with a state’s right to secede to uphold slavery is an SJW”
-SCfakeLibertarian logic
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Who's the cuck?
Your side lost, so…
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Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:10 am to SCLibertarian
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Every signer of the SC Ordinance of Secession is lucky they weren't dragged out into the middle of Charleston and executed.
Those traitors who signed the Declaration of Independence should have been dealt with!
-GetCocky11
"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness" -Declaration of Indepdendence
"A geographical line has been drawn across the Union, and all the States north of that line have united in the election of a man to the high office of President of the United States, whose opinions and purposes are hostile to slavery." -SC Declaration of Secession
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:12 am to SCLibertarian
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Almost every acre that Sherman set foot on was burned to the ground.
Meanwhile, in Louisiana...
"On April 23, 1863, the seminary [LSU] again closed down due to the invasion in the area of Union forces in the Red River Campaign. Before being captured, the college's military equipment was donated to the Confederate Army. The school's library and other items were destroyed by order of Gen. T. Kilby Smith of the U.S. Army. The school's building was saved due to a request by Gen. W. T. Sherman."
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That was what these poor South Carolinians fought for.
You're implying that if South Carolinians didn't fight, more devastation would've occurred at the hands of the Armies of Tennessee and Georgia. The fact is that if they NEVER took up arms against the US Army, they wouldn't have suffered any of the destruction they did.
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South Carolina was absolutely destroyed by that man and his army.
Don't start none, won't be none. "Here is where treason began and, by God, here is where it shall end!"
That ain't nothing, look at what Gen. Doolittle did to Dresden:
And what Gen. LeMay did to Tokyo:
The moral of the story is, don't frick with the US Army or bad shite will come down on your head.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:15 am to RollTide1987
I would love for Dan Carlin to do a little Hardocre History Addendum on Sherman's March, applying the so-called "lawnmower theory" that he talked about in Supernova in the East (WWII Pacific Theater)
Sometimes you gotta be vicious in the short term to spare more casualties in the long term, of which I believe Sherman was a proponent.
And to the cretins in here hating on Sherman...you could've, I dunno, tried to stop him?
Sometimes you gotta be vicious in the short term to spare more casualties in the long term, of which I believe Sherman was a proponent.
And to the cretins in here hating on Sherman...you could've, I dunno, tried to stop him?
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:18 am to GetCocky11
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Every signer of the SC Ordinance of Secession is lucky they weren't dragged out into the middle of Charleston and executed.
When in the Course of human events, it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them with another, and to assume among the powers of the earth, the separate and equal station to which the Laws of Nature and of Nature's God entitle them, a decent respect to the opinions of mankind requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.
This isn't just about slavery, which you and that Burt Reynolds moron don't seem to understand. The Union victory over the South cemented the principle that you could not democratically leave the Union for any reason whatsoever. None of our Founders (save maybe Hamilton) would have ever agreed to a permanent and irrevocable political union. You can abhor slavery (which was abolished by every other country a mere 25 years after the end of the war) and still recognize that the Union victory was a net negative for political liberty.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:19 am to geauxtigers87
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Southern planter class and Southern propaganda swayed everyone else to thinking a war was a good idea.
Or worse...
"The Legislature of Louisiana met on the 10th of December, and passed an act calling a convention of delegates from the people, to meet at Baton Rouge, on the 8th of January, to take into consideration the state of the Union; and, although it was universally admitted that a large majority of the voters of the State were opposed to secession, disunion, and all the steps of the South Carolinians, yet we saw that they were powerless, and that the politicians would sweep them along rapidly to the end, prearranged by their leaders in Washington." - Sherman
Sherman's Memoirs
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:20 am to RollTide1987
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People should know when they’re conquered.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:22 am to PacoPicopiedra
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It surprises me that with Sherman's treatment of Native Americans that there hasn't been any serious attempts to remove this by the SJW crowd in NYC.
I guess the winners get to keep their statues.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:22 am to SCLibertarian
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This isn't just about slavery
Imagine supporting Lost Cause in 2021.
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The Union victory over the South cemented the principle that you could not democratically leave the Union for any reason whatsoever.
Well, maybe if those dumbasses didn't fire on Ft Sumter (land legally ceded to the federal government of the United States in the 1830s) in April of 1861, there could have been a political settlement. Instead, the South CHOSE war.
This post was edited on 12/22/21 at 9:25 am
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:24 am to madmaxvol
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I guess the winners get to keep their statues.
You'd be wrong.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:26 am to PacoPicopiedra
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surprises me that with Sherman's treatment of Native Americans that there hasn't been any serious attempts to remove this by the SJW crowd in NYC.
They hate southerners more than they love oppressed people.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:27 am to Liberator
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Are you sh*tting me? He was a certifiable PSYCHOPATH & SADIST. I'd assume for earlier kicks, this guy pulled the legs off of kittins when he was a kid (up to age 13 )
Doesn’t preclude him from being a good/great general. He was simply ruthless.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:28 am to RollTide1987
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By that logic LeMay, Spaatz, the crew of the Enola Gay, and the crews of all the B-17s and B-29s that bombed Germany and Japan are right there with them.
Yeah I bet Curtis Lemay is in Hell. Beyond the use of nuclear weapons, the firebombing of Japan took many, many lives.
Fully understandable that within the context of the time, these actions were and are still justified. Most of us probably wouldn’t be here if there was land invasion of Japan. We perceive this as “good” and therefore Lemay is let off the “moral” hook. Much like Sherman is. They are mass murderers but we won so they are not. If Germany/Japan won, no doubt in my mind Lemay and co are on trial at Nuremberg.
For an example in the present, let’s use BLM.. They apparently want “racial equality” and are willing and have killed people to achieve their means to end. Some would perceive that as good, some do not. Whether BLM wins or loses will dictate the perception of those actions moving forward.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:31 am to Burt Reynolds
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Confederate state constitutions aren’t valid anymore than their worthless currency. Restricting voting rights to half of the population isn’t democracy. Sorry sweety. You’re ideology is dated by about 150+ years.
Interesting that that’s about the time the south was using this thinking.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:34 am to SCLibertarian
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You can abhor slavery (which was abolished by every other country a mere 25 years after the end of the war)
I wonder to what extent the American civil war played into the rest of the nations thinking in abolishing slavery peacefully.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:35 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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look at what Gen. Doolittle did to Dresden:
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And what Gen. LeMay did to Tokyo:
And most of the people calling Sherman a war criminal for decimating southern farms and cities are perfectly fine with what happened to those cities.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:36 am to WildTchoupitoulas
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The moral of the story is, don't frick with the US Army or bad shite will come down on your head.
Retarded psychopathic nonsense like this is why the rest of the world hates America and actively roots for its demise. Every single moral “lesson” that conventional American history teaches us is that American elites are sadistic psychopaths who have no compunction about inflicting unspeakable evil on innocent people if it pleases them. That may be the way of the world, but to be proud of it is depraved.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:40 am to OKBoomerSooner
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Retarded psychopathic nonsense like this is why the rest of the world hates America and actively roots for its demise. Every single moral “lesson” that conventional American history teaches us is that American elites are sadistic psychopaths who have no compunction about inflicting unspeakable evil on innocent people if it pleases them. That may be the way of the world, but to be proud of it is depraved.
This cannot be upvoted enough. Our desire to remake the world in our own image through war, death and destruction can be directly traced to the Puritan Yankee desire to have everyone think, act and behave just like them.
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:41 am to SCLibertarian
Those damn, anti-slavery Lincolnites amirite?
Posted on 12/22/21 at 9:43 am to RollTide1987
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Those damn, anti-slavery Lincolnites amirite?
They opposed slavery because they didn't want blacks in their territories, not because they hated the institution. William Lloyd Garrison (an actual egalitarian) was tarred and feathered by his fellow New Englanders for his views.
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