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re: Oklahoma School First In US To Use Bulletproof Shelters To Keep Kids Safe During A Shootin
Posted on 3/2/18 at 12:37 pm to Fun Bunch
Posted on 3/2/18 at 12:37 pm to Fun Bunch
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This is what this country has come to.
Putting bulletproof shelters in classrooms.
It's attitudes like this that keep schools from taking the uncomfortable but necessary precautions to protect students.
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Posted on 3/2/18 at 12:44 pm to TH03
People often forget that along with freedom comes responsibility. People want their freedoms without the responsibility. The Founding Fathers probably didn’t feel the need to write in a “personal responsibility” provision in the Constituion since back then such virtue was a given and not something one could to take or leave.
If we want a society with loose gun laws, and we are aware of the risk, however small, that such laws will allow from time to time a mass shooter to shoot up a school, it is our responsibility to do what we can within reason to protect the kids.
To me, if gun enthusiasts collectively have to pay $25 million per child’s life saved by the shelter, that’s “within reason.” At what number does it become not “within reason?”
If we want a society with loose gun laws, and we are aware of the risk, however small, that such laws will allow from time to time a mass shooter to shoot up a school, it is our responsibility to do what we can within reason to protect the kids.
To me, if gun enthusiasts collectively have to pay $25 million per child’s life saved by the shelter, that’s “within reason.” At what number does it become not “within reason?”
Posted on 3/2/18 at 12:49 pm to Byrdybyrd05
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Would you prefer these in every classroom or a cop at every school?
The cost of putting one of these in every classroom would be insane. And how do you expect a school district to pay for this without raising taxes which is hard to do.
Cops too expensive too.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 12:51 pm to TigerstuckinMS
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But I don't, so frick your appeal to emotion.
My hypothetical clearly caused you some emotion. Why you mad? Don’t like that it was so easy for me to show how hollow “it doesn’t happen often so it’s not worth it” is? You really getting mad over a proposal to increase gun sale taxes by 1% with no new restrictions on gun sales/ownership?
Posted on 3/2/18 at 12:51 pm to Jon Ham
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To me, if gun enthusiasts collectively have to pay $25 million per child’s life saved by the shelter, that’s “within reason.” At what number does it become not “within reason?”
$25 million per .000000003% of the population
Posted on 3/2/18 at 12:53 pm to Byrdybyrd05
Still pointless with nothing to counter the shooter. What if the shooter decides to open up in the cafeteria during lunch? You don’t think the shooter will plan around that?
Posted on 3/2/18 at 12:54 pm to Jon Ham
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People who want the freedom to purchase guns with minimal restrictions should acknowledge such freedom may result in a mass shooter from time to time and be willing to bear some of the cost to mitigate the loss of life.
What a bunch of shite.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 12:57 pm to DeafJam73
No you’re a bunch of shite!!!!
Posted on 3/2/18 at 12:57 pm to DeafJam73
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What a bunch of shite.
Thanks for the details
Posted on 3/2/18 at 12:57 pm to Jon Ham
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Posted on 3/2/18 at 12:58 pm to Jon Ham
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My hypothetical clearly caused you some emotion. Why you mad? Don’t like that it was so easy for me to show how hollow “it doesn’t happen often so it’s not worth it” is? You really getting mad over a proposal to increase gun sale taxes by 1% with no new restrictions on gun sales/ownership?
No. It's because "but think of the children" is all you have and we don't call that an "argument", we call that a "logical fallacy", and some of us don't want to make or change laws based on logical fallacies.
This post was edited on 3/2/18 at 12:59 pm
Posted on 3/2/18 at 1:00 pm to Houma Sapien
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Thanks for the details
Fine. Here some details. You can’t place the blame on people who don’t break the law. You want to hold millions of law abiding citizens accountable for the actions of a lunatic? Make them pay more money or give up their rights at the mercy of a government that has failed at every level?
Posted on 3/2/18 at 1:01 pm to TigerstuckinMS
All I have is a reasonable measure to save children’s lives. I guess seatbelts are logical fallacies too.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 1:04 pm to Jon Ham
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I guess seatbelts are logical fallacies too.
Seatbelts aren't a tax
Posted on 3/2/18 at 1:05 pm to SPEEDY
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Looks like a place for teachers to seduce their students
I wonder what it costs.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 1:09 pm to Pico de Gallo
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I wonder what it costs.
LINK
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The 8-by-8-foot classroom shelters cost about $30,000, Newsweek reported. A company spokesman told the outlet that the price depended on the shelter’s size, but averaged to cost about $1,000 for every child that can fit inside.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 1:10 pm to Jon Ham
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All I have is a reasonable measure
When are you going to propose your reasonable measure?
Posted on 3/2/18 at 1:13 pm to Jon Ham
No, it’s not reasonable. Just replace the doors. Most classroom walls are cement filled cinder blocks. Unless the shooter is bringing explosives or has enough ammunition to shoot through the wall, he can’t penetrate that. Replace the door with something he can’t shoot through and, boom. Shelter.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 1:15 pm to Byrdybyrd05
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Bulletproof Shelters
Am very much a fan, though it's sad that's where we are now.
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Would you prefer these in every classroom or a cop at every school?
I feel the long-term costs are less with the shelters and have a higher guarantee of safety--cops could get shot, be overrun, miss and hit the wrong students, slow response time, etc. without having to pay multiple officers every day to post up.
But if I could choose both, I go with both, obviously.
Posted on 3/2/18 at 1:17 pm to DeafJam73
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No, it’s not reasonable. Just replace the doors.
If that would be equally as effective at a lower cost then of course let’s go with that.
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