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re: Oil back below $40

Posted on 8/2/16 at 9:40 am to
Posted by bmy
Nashville
Member since Oct 2007
48203 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 9:40 am to
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Actually I think $70-$75 a barrel is where it needs to be to keep everyone happy


Yeah.. no. Idgaf about oilfield workers. Much rather put fuel in the tank for cheap.
Posted by thegreatboudini
Member since Oct 2008
7189 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 9:41 am to
Enjoy it now, because you know we're coming back for those 60k bonuses and Jody will frick your wife when he's on his 2 weeks home.
Posted by TigerDog83
Member since Oct 2005
8850 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 9:42 am to
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I work in the heart and soul of upstream oil and gas, and if you believe anyone but America caused this, you're oblivious to the facts and just want to point the finger at someone else.


US Unconventional production will have to grown within cash flow for the foreseeable future. There are differing schools of thought on which companies if any can accomplish this as the capital outspend in the oil shales has been well beyond cash flow over the last few years. I can't believe anyone buys what people like Scott Sheffield are saying about the Permian unconventional reservoirs being equal to anything Saudi Arabia has. Ghawar may be aging, but the huge conventional carbonate fields of the middle east are superior economically in practically every way to shale oil.
Posted by White Bear
Homeless
Member since Jul 2014
17639 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 9:42 am to
My truck nuts are all shriveled up.
Posted by El Segundo Guy
1-866-DHS-2-ICE
Member since Aug 2014
11650 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 9:43 am to
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Much rather put fuel in the tank for cheap


As much as I hate to say it, I agree. Between my wife and I we have 3 vehicles...a car, a 1/2 ton truck and a 3/4 ton diesel truck. Plus I own 3 work trucks for my business. I see more profit and can pay my workers more when gas prices are reasonable.
Posted by Salamander_Wilson
Member since Jul 2015
8305 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 9:44 am to
I don't see how having more oil than we can consume is a bad thing.

Oil is a finite resource.

The more we have and the less we use is good for the sustainability of our energy system.

I could care less about our economy taking a hit if it's propped up by an industry that is volatile and unsustainable.

The world and it's needs change. Change with it.
Posted by chauncey1
Member since May 2010
298 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 10:15 am to
Sal, I understand your logic.
I would argue stability in prices allow for more consistent development of the resource and allows consumers to budget accordingly. When a supply glut is obtained, prices drop. Companies then cease investment into the resource. This enables large price swings to occur because it takes time to develop the resource. The shale plays have certainly increased response time to price fluctuations which should help stabilize the ceiling on the market.
These price swings can be good/bad for investors, but it can be tough on consumers with tight margins. Companies have continued to drill to maintain acreage positions which has helped bolster the oversupply.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 10:55 am to
It is unfortunate that there are structural issues with the American oil and gas business that end up forcing rapid production and eventually volatility. The leases and the way we structure oil and gas leases is one issue. In nearly every other country where the resource is under a government concession, the operator has more flexibility to delay/defer drilling.

Also the debt hungry independent who need cash flow to service their debt force them into aggressive development plans.
Posted by lsuoilengr
Member since Aug 2008
5436 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 11:06 am to
Don't forget Iran and Iraq ramping up production. Also some global mega projects will come online (NW Australia, Kashagan, deep water). Coupled with a more resilient shale market = more supply.

Fact is no one here can predict the future but the oil market is very much like a wave, up and down.

I've personally been out of work for 7 months, and am in good company. This downturn has been one of the worst but it won't last forever.

As it was previously mentioned, when the onshore independents go bust they will take down some banks with them. Apparently no one told these guys that micro Darcy permeability doesn't make money in sub 60$ oil

Just did a Kuala Lumpur, Perth, Houston trip and all my uber drivers were oil and gas. Hell my stripper at Treasures was a deep water drilling engineer recently let go from Shell, pretty depressing
Posted by crankbait
Member since Feb 2008
11646 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 11:12 am to
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Hell my stripper at Treasures was a deep water drilling engineer recently let go from Shell, pretty depressing


Your cred just went to nil for believing a stripper, that is for people actually believing any of your post
Posted by Cooter Davenport
Austin, TX
Member since Apr 2012
9006 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 11:14 am to
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Hell my stripper at Treasures was a deep water drilling engineer recently let go from Shell, pretty depressing


I don't believe you.
Posted by ShaneTheLegLechler
Member since Dec 2011
63407 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 11:18 am to
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Hell my stripper at Treasures was a deep water drilling engineer recently let go from Shell, pretty depressing


Gross, 98% of females in Ops are fricking disgusting
Posted by lsuoilengr
Member since Aug 2008
5436 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 11:23 am to
That was obviously not true. Hyperbole to laugh at how bad oil and gas is right now.

As in all the majors are on their 3rd round of layoffs. Service companies have cut to the bone and then some. All my friends with families and mortgages are close to losing it all. As In shite is really bad right now
Posted by CurDog
Member since Jan 2007
28157 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 11:27 am to
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Thanks Hillary Clinton


hopefully this will not become the new catch phrase next year
Posted by RedRifle
Austin/NO
Member since Dec 2013
8334 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 11:30 am to
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t is not a free market when it is being manipulated by foreign states. The saudi's are trying to bankrupt American companies by flooding the market with their reserves. How is this OK?


This is the most whiny post I've ever read on TD. Whaa not fair that they have a huge comparative advantage. Whaa. Whaa.
Posted by Nado Jenkins83
Land of the Free
Member since Nov 2012
66102 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 11:31 am to
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As much as I hate to say it, I agree. Between my wife and I we have 3 vehicles...a car, a 1/2 ton truck and a 3/4 ton diesel truck. Plus I own 3 work trucks for my business. I see more profit and can pay my workers more when gas prices are reasonable.


what kinda business?
Posted by alphaandomega
Tuscaloosa-Here to Serve
Member since Aug 2012
17137 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 11:35 am to
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Going check LA Sportsman classified for sweet deals on boats, RVs and ATVs.




And lifted F250's
Posted by rocket31
Member since Jan 2008
41887 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 11:44 am to
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. This downturn has been one of the worst but it won't last forever. 


How much longer are you gonna say this? Just lol
Posted by RedRifle
Austin/NO
Member since Dec 2013
8334 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 11:45 am to
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Asgard Device


Godddamn. You just carpet bombed us with real truth. Stop that.
Posted by CorporateTiger
Member since Aug 2014
10700 posts
Posted on 8/2/16 at 11:52 am to
Rocket can you display any actual knowledge of the economics or O&G? Because you certainly seem really smug about something you have demonstrated no actual knowledge of to this point.
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