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re: Official Thread: Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370
Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:19 am to longhorn22
Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:19 am to longhorn22
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I'll go back to what I said Friday...still cant beleive someone didnt tweet/facebook/instagram or something about being on the flight, tweeting help..ect.
like I said on Friday when you first posted this, you can't text at 30,000 feet. This plane did not have wifi so there was no way to get a signal.
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still...people often use the "check in" function on FB when they are at an airport before flying....just lil info like this may help or lead to something......
What good would it be? who cares if they checked in on FB. We know they were on the plane, we don't need FB to confirm that. And there was nothing to be concerned about until about an hour into the flight when they had no signal.
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:19 am to Chicken
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Hopefully one major change that comes from this is that a plane will always be tracked in some way.
Is there no way that they can have the Flight Data Recorder transmit real time to a satellite? Or at least send bursts every few minutes or so?
Or at the very least give Lat/Long/Altitude/Heading data?
Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:22 am to Dam Guide
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He can also ram the plane into the ground and kill you pretty easy too, would you rather fall asleep or live through the sudden drop and quick stop?
Pilots have to be able to make complicated decisions when automatic systems fail, they need the manual control of pressurization to be able to save your life if the computer fricks up.
Lots of people have control over your life if you woke up to the realization of how much control you give up without even taking the time to realize it...
This, a pilot is a well trained individual. They already have control of your life. Same as when you are a passenger in a car. That person literally has control of your life. More die in cars than planes, and yes that is a tired statistic. Air travel is still very safe. With air France 440, egypt airlines 990 and this one, we see three instances of rogue or dumbass piloting.
As soon as you are on the plane, your life is in someone else's hands. Even if pressurization was automatic and couldn't be manually adjusted(and you wouldn't want that) there are still many other ways in which the pilot is in control of your life.
The cabin pressure system is really not a flaw. This situation is just an abnormality.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:23 am to longhorn22
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I'll go back to what I said Friday...still cant beleive someone didnt tweet/facebook/instagram or something about being on the flight, tweeting help..ect.
It was not equipped with Wi-Fi.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:25 am to geauxscott
It wasn't flying that high from what people are saying
Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:28 am to Napoleon
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Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:28 am to LC412000
I've never flown that route, so I wouldn't know what plane is used. I fly very often, but to go to LA and NYC I fly direct from New Orleans or Houston. Flying into Newark next Friday, as a matter of fact.
Point is, there were no wifi capabilities, and there was no inflight tracking. The passengers were 35,000 feet with, most likely, all cell phones off.
It should not be difficult to understand that the passengers couldn't communicate with the outside world. I turn my cell phone off of airplane mode 35,000 feet above Atlanta and it laughs at me, much less when they did it over the gulf of Thailand.
Point is, there were no wifi capabilities, and there was no inflight tracking. The passengers were 35,000 feet with, most likely, all cell phones off.
It should not be difficult to understand that the passengers couldn't communicate with the outside world. I turn my cell phone off of airplane mode 35,000 feet above Atlanta and it laughs at me, much less when they did it over the gulf of Thailand.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:30 am to TigerHam85
Any other updates besides the one in the OP saying that the pilot may have did it because of beliefs?
Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:30 am to longhorn22
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It wasn't flying that high from what people are saying
even so, cell service in areas that arent even covered by radar im guessing is a bit spotty.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:31 am to longhorn22
The older pilot def had motive/background to do something like this (Anti-Gov, Wife Left, Flight Simulator, etc...) Now the younger pilot is the confusing one. Young guy, just got promoted to 777, had tons of $$$ from what I've read, women all around.
It has now been confirmed that the younger pilot is the one who said "goodnight" after the transponder was turned off, so it looks like he was in on it.
What motivation does he have?
I'm sure they are going back to see if these two had previously flown together, how many times, out of office communications, etc...
It has now been confirmed that the younger pilot is the one who said "goodnight" after the transponder was turned off, so it looks like he was in on it.
What motivation does he have?
I'm sure they are going back to see if these two had previously flown together, how many times, out of office communications, etc...
Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:32 am to CocomoLSU
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I saw something on FB this morning that said it seems like I may have been hijacked and flying low to avoid radar now. Is that confirmed?
Anything else new since Friday?
Strangely, nothing coming out has been confirmed. Malaysia seems to say it went north to Asia and the US believes it crashed in the south Indian Ocean.
Since Friday:
We know that the pilot attended a trial for a politician he supported who was jailed for sodomy. We know his family left three days before the flight. We also know that he had a simulator, and that the police have confiscated the simulator and are looking into it's data.
This started us looking at the pilot, though now the latest is that the co-pilot made the last radio transmission, after the transponder was turned off.
So the real info is, no, nothing new... They still don't know where it is or have any idea why or what is behind it.
Just it does seem the pilots stayed in control the entire time. They did fly around and under radar.
All of which leads me to believe their intentions were to take this thing somewhere.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:33 am to Lsut81
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confirmed that the younger pilot is the one who said "goodnight" after the transponder was turned off, so it looks like he was in on it.
from what i hear, they often say goodnight when leaving a set of controllers as they were at that point.... so you might be jumping a bit.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:35 am to Napoleon
They may not find this thing....
The mystery Malaysia 370 Flight....Never found..
The mystery Malaysia 370 Flight....Never found..
Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:35 am to TigerHam85
Think of the checklist that the terrorists had before this flight:
1. Plane from Malaysia to China.
2. Late night.
3. Had to be a 777.
4. No wi-fi.
5. Certain pilot & co-pilot (maybe).
On the other side:
1. Place to land.
2. Gear to hide plane.
3. Dispose of bodies or keep hostages.
There are perhaps 20 more items to add to each list. The point is, despite how it seems 'unbelievable' it has happened.
So, anything that seems 'impossible' as to what their plans may be, may actually be possible.
1. Plane from Malaysia to China.
2. Late night.
3. Had to be a 777.
4. No wi-fi.
5. Certain pilot & co-pilot (maybe).
On the other side:
1. Place to land.
2. Gear to hide plane.
3. Dispose of bodies or keep hostages.
There are perhaps 20 more items to add to each list. The point is, despite how it seems 'unbelievable' it has happened.
So, anything that seems 'impossible' as to what their plans may be, may actually be possible.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:35 am to NoSaint
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from what i hear
did you get this from TD as well?Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:36 am to Napoleon
If the Malaysian police or govt officials are allowed to take the flight simulator and begin analysis without outside help, any information that can be gathered will never be found or shared with other country's agencies that could help.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:37 am to Napoleon
This is getting interesting
Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:38 am to Napoleon
Observation:
It seems as though it would be possible (though not probable) to have landed the plane, and load it with a nuclear device or dirty bomb, and use this plane as a delivery mechanism for an EMP over Europe or another heavily dependent area of the world on electricity.
For years, we have heard of the damage an EMP could do to the US, but the two issue for the terrorist were to (1) get a dirty bomb or nuke; and (2) have a delivery mechanism (most say a rocket shot off of a ship close to US mainland.
Well, if they have a nuke (maybe Iran has developed one or even North Korea), and they have a plane that can fly at 40,000 feet (i.e., a delivery mechanism), then they have the capability to send the US or Europe back to the 1800s pretty quickly.
It seems as though it would be possible (though not probable) to have landed the plane, and load it with a nuclear device or dirty bomb, and use this plane as a delivery mechanism for an EMP over Europe or another heavily dependent area of the world on electricity.
For years, we have heard of the damage an EMP could do to the US, but the two issue for the terrorist were to (1) get a dirty bomb or nuke; and (2) have a delivery mechanism (most say a rocket shot off of a ship close to US mainland.
Well, if they have a nuke (maybe Iran has developed one or even North Korea), and they have a plane that can fly at 40,000 feet (i.e., a delivery mechanism), then they have the capability to send the US or Europe back to the 1800s pretty quickly.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:38 am to TexasTiger39
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. Seems like any commercial and even private aircraft should have a few transponders incapable of being turned off without taking apart part of the plane.
transponders are only required in the US at above 18,000 feet, or within any Class B Mode-C transponder area or 50 miles from Washington DC special district.
You can fly a plane without a radio from the east coast to the west, around class B airspace just staying in class G or E. To enter class C or D you have to make contact with the control, to enter class B you need permission. But class E is for everyone, and it's literally everywhere. You can fly in it with out a radio or transponder.
I do think on commercial planes there should be a passive transponder, one that is independent, and can respond to interrogation from Sat or radio . Would only really be needed in tracking a plane that wasn't responding to normal transmission.
I think a system to do that can be cheaply built and implemented.
You can turn a transponder off so that it isn't on while on the ground, and so you can change the frequencies.
Posted on 3/17/14 at 10:40 am to Napoleon
Maybe co-pilot had to be the one to talk to ATC because pilot was below cockpit tinkering with electronics?
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