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re: Official Thread: Missing Malaysia Airlines Flight 370

Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:36 am to
Posted by Patrick_Bateman
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Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:36 am to
More from that Washington Post article:

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In the most comprehensive account to date of the plane’s fate, [Malaysian Prime Minister] Najib drew an ominous picture of what happened aboard Malaysia Airlines Flight MH370, saying investigators had determined there was “deliberate action by someone on the plane.”
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Although U.S. officials previously said they believed the plane could have remained in the air for several extra hours, Najib said Saturday that the flight was still communicating with satellites until 8:11 a.m. — seven and a half hours after takeoff, and more than 90 minutes after it was due in Beijing. There was no further communication with the plane after that time, Najib said. If the plane was still in the air, it would have been nearing its fuel limit.

“Due to the type of satellite data,” Najib said, “we are unable to confirm the precise location of the plane when it last made contact with the satellite.”
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Malaysia has confirmed that a previously unknown blip picked up by its military radar was indeed MH370. That blip suggests the plane had cut west, across the Malaysian peninsula, after severing contact with the ground.
^ Something Malaysia originally claimed, then denied, now is claiming again.

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Malaysian investigators now believe that the Boeing-777 airliner, bound for Beijing with 227 passengers, deliberately cut a series of communications systems as it headed toward the boundary of Malaysian airspace. U.S. officials and aviation experts say the plane could have been hijacked by somebody with aviation knowledge or sabotaged by a crew member.
LINK

Sorry if this is already posted. The article was updated only 2 hours ago. I haven't kept up with the thread since last night, but it appears that the highjacking theory is the most likely now. Amazing. If someone managed to highjack and "cloak" a 777, then disappear with barely a trace - I'll give the satellites their due - that is truly a scary thought.
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:39 am to
Hijacked and stolen

I think the Malaysian govt knows where this plane is
Posted by Patrick_Bateman
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Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:39 am to
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Most people think they rose to 45,000 ft to kill all the passengers. Maybe there way of taking control w/o having 4-6 terrorists on board?
If true, what a way to go. . .

This story is crazy and fascinating.
Posted by Lsut81
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Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:43 am to
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If true, what a way to go. . .


I still side with the former 777 captain (If the hijacking is true)


Pilot depressurized, climbed to 45k to try to quickly suffocate the crew and passengers, then dove back down.
Posted by 3HourTour
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Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:43 am to
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I think the Malaysian govt knows where this plane is


Posted by DawgCountry
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Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:45 am to
Seems to be the most logical way to quickly incapacitate the entire plane
Posted by tidehillcrest
Mobile, Alabama
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Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:46 am to
All of their searches have been looking down...maybe they should look up!
Posted by Patrick_Bateman
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Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:48 am to
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I'm 100% thinking now the pilot was in on this. He had so many hours on this plane and just knew his way around it.
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the fact that there were pings and they kept flying for 7+ hours, and that the plane went silent at the minute Malaysia handed them off really points to rouge pilot.
Agreed. I mean, having flown so many 777s, the pilot could have easily had trial runs, where he searched previous planes for their transponders, so that on this run he would've known exactly where to go and what to do. That way, he could do everything efficiently. He knew as well as anyone how the planes were tracked, where he would be entering/exiting various countries' radars, at which altitude to fly to avoid detection, which runways would be suitable for landing, etc. I think the pilot must have been in on it, for the whole thing to have been so successful.

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Hell he probably knew enough to pull the breakers from the data recorders, so that when this thing is found we have nothing.
From what I've read, I don't think that's possible. . . Then again, I wouldn't have thought most of this was possible. . .

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I still don't see the endgame. If AQ wanted a plane to fly, they could buy a used liner easily.
I think the asking price for a 777 is $260M. I expect it'd be higher than that on the black market. Maybe they couldn't have bought one.
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:48 am to
Also, the KEY piece of evidence today - they moved the flight time up to 7 hours.

That would put the plane in the range of the Middle East.

For a plan, this complex, it makes sense they had a landing area set up prior - one that could HIDE the plane and REFUEL it.

It is only logical.

Fully fueled, the plane has a range of 9,000 - 11,000 miles -

WHICH means that from Yemen, Europe and the entire East Coast of the US is in range.
Posted by GeneralLee
Member since Aug 2004
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Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:48 am to
Makes you wonder why the 9/11 hijackers didn't attempt to get to a high altitude to kill the rest of the passengers. They probably didn't have enough expertise to fly the plane at those altitudes.
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:49 am to
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Pilot depressurized, climbed to 45k to try to quickly suffocate the crew and passengers, then dove back down.


Makes the most sense
Posted by DawgCountry
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Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:50 am to
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East Coast of the US is in range.


frick that. Scramble the jets
Posted by OldHickory
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Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:50 am to
I'm thinking the contents are what's valuable here. It's not so much who they are or where they're from, but the fact that they're worth ransom money.

This is some terrorist group(not AQ) wanting cash. They'll put out a video with the passengers and demand to be paid for their release.
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:51 am to
So the plane goes up 45,000 ft, kills the passengers while the pilots have on oxygen.

They bring it back down and fly 7 hours to the planned rendezvous point.
Posted by DawgCountry
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Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:51 am to
That's what I'm thinking too
Posted by Tiger4Ever
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Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:52 am to
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Makes you wonder why the 9/11 hijackers didn't attempt to get to a high altitude to kill the rest of the passengers. They probably didn't have enough expertise to fly the plane at those altitudes.


Why would they? They obviously had a different endgame than this...
Posted by TheDoc
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Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:53 am to
Al Qaeda could have this plane in their possession right now
Posted by notiger1997
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Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:53 am to
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WHICH means that from Yemen, Europe and the entire East Coast of the US is in range.


That plane is not getting within 2000 miles of our coast without us knowing about it.
Posted by TigerFred
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Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:54 am to
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Also, the KEY piece of evidence today


Is that tangible?
Posted by JAXTiger16
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Posted on 3/15/14 at 9:54 am to
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Pilot depressurized, climbed to 45k to try to quickly suffocate the crew and passengers, then dove back down.


Was there reports of a plane climbing to 45k?

Its not necessary to climb that high to kill the passengers. 38k would do just fine.

Any plane that flies over 10-12k is required to carry oxygen and hypoxia can set in with cabin altitude pressure above 16k.
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