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re: Off duty cop shoots would be juvenile burglar in the head
Posted on 4/22/20 at 5:45 pm to notiger1997
Posted on 4/22/20 at 5:45 pm to notiger1997
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Did you not read the part about the cell phone flashing?
It makes this case a little more complicated
Does it? If anything I think it’s pretty damning for the homeowner that he basically got startled into pulling the trigger on a 14 year old.
That’s assuming nothing else comes out of this - e.g. the kid wasn’t armed, wasn’t threatening to fight/kill the cop, etc.
ETA: According to the article linked on the previous page, an off-duty SUNO police officer, with no jurisdiction in Metairie, ordered three kids who were walking down the street to stop because he “feared there may have been criminal activity occurring” then shot a 14 year old boy in the head when someone called his cell phone and the light flashed. Maybe there’s more information that will come to light, but I don’t know why JPSO would release the part about the cell phone light and not the rest.
Also this anecdote from the article:
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Previously, he spent 14 years with the Orleans Parish Sheriff’s Office, attaining the rank of captain before he was fired in September 2017 following a failed drug test.
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 5:57 pm
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Posted on 4/22/20 at 5:59 pm to IndianInBR
Good Shoot - 100%
Posted on 4/22/20 at 5:59 pm to lostinbr
Yeah the cop sounds like a low low life so I’m not going to lose any sleep over his situation. Was just trying to point out how it’s not such a black and white issue.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 6:03 pm to notiger1997
I think his reasoning of seeing the flash is legitimate. Maybe he did think he was being shot at.
He confronted the teens and held a gun to them first though.
The shooter was the aggressor here, was he not?
He confronted the teens and held a gun to them first though.
The shooter was the aggressor here, was he not?
Posted on 4/22/20 at 6:18 pm to Booyow
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It’s not going to end well for him if that kid wasn’t armed.
Not true. In fear for his life. If the kid had anything in his hand that could have been mistaken for a gun or knife say a flashing cell phone the cop holds no responsibility for defending himself. Plus the guys a cop he knows what to say and not say in this situation more than likely.
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 6:43 pm
Posted on 4/22/20 at 6:22 pm to CheEngineer
It’s just a sad story all the way around. I feel for the parents.
I had long talk with my teenage son today about this story and asking him to please never get into a situation like this
I had long talk with my teenage son today about this story and asking him to please never get into a situation like this
Posted on 4/22/20 at 6:27 pm to CheEngineer
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If the kid had anything in his hand that could have been mistaken for a gun or knife the cop holds no responsibility for defending himself.
1. It’s not self-defense if the homeowner is the one who started the confrontation (including drawing his weapon). If the kid DID have a gun, you could argue that he would have been within HIS rights to shoot the homeowner.
2. The idea that anyone can be shot in the street without repercussions if someone mistakes their cell phone for a gun is terrifying.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 6:29 pm to notiger1997
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I feel for the parents
No doubt. I am thinking the same thing you described.
This group of kids were doing what teenagers can do. I had done similar shite.
Sucks because the kid wasn't doing anything wrong and the homeowner killed him over a mistake.
Just don't see how this guy skates without some sort of charges. He pulled a gun on an innocent person while on the street. The shooter mistook the scenario, that doesn't completely excuse his behavior.
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 6:30 pm
Posted on 4/22/20 at 6:36 pm to Clames
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It's imminent danger of being killed OR facing great bodily harm. That's the law in Louisiana and that's the only standard that matters here. Nowhere in the law does it state that those actions have to be acted upon first before acting in self-defense. If an individual or group presents itself as posing such a threat, that's all that's required. If the juveniles in question made any movements to confront the officer, unarmed or otherwise, that is pretty much the line to cross.
This guy gets it. The teens could simply told the home owner to get back in his house and mind his own business or they would mess him up, get him etc. as soon as they take one step towards home owner they are fair game. Weapon or no weapon. If there is no video it will be his word against a bunch of kids that appear to be there to steal from him. Who you gonna believe a cop or likely criminals.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 6:39 pm to CheEngineer
Your belief is that you can shoot someone walking on the sidewalk in front of your house and claim they were mean mugging so you were justified?
Mean mugging and took a step in your direction.
Mean mugging and took a step in your direction.
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 6:39 pm
Posted on 4/22/20 at 6:44 pm to fightin tigers
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Your belief is that you can shoot someone walking on the sidewalk in front of your house and claim they were mean mugging so you were justified?
Not even close but you don't have the education to make an honest argument here anyway.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 6:44 pm to fightin tigers
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I think his reasoning of seeing the flash is legitimate. Maybe he did think he was being shot at.
Will be interesting to see if they can prove his phone flashed, did he get a call/text at that time, was the flash caught on camera?
Posted on 4/22/20 at 6:45 pm to fightin tigers
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Your belief is that you can shoot someone walking on the sidewalk in front of your house and claim they were mean mugging so you were justified?
Mean mugging and took a step in your direction.
It's imminent danger of being killed OR facing great bodily harm.
Yes that is exactly what it means. Some random walks up to you says they are gonna beat your arse or kill you and come towards you. They initiated contact.
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 6:47 pm
Posted on 4/22/20 at 6:46 pm to TigerintheNO
Article said a call was received near the time.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 6:46 pm to CheEngineer
Y'all need to get on the same page with y'alls bullshite.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 6:50 pm to fr33manator
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The media lies more than the weatherman. It’s pathetic. Journalism is dead, I hope all the newspapers go defunct.
They aren’t even fit to line the cage of a nutria (sorry the advocate is so bad it literally killed you Tanden.)
THIS is some fine OT references rolled into a post. Bravo Sir.
Posted on 4/22/20 at 6:58 pm to fightin tigers
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Y'all need to get on the same page with y'alls bullshite.
“Not even close”
“Yes that’s exactly what I mean”
You can’t just shoot someone because they are walking in the street and you think their cell phone might be a gun or a knife. Just like you can’t stop someone walking in the street at gunpoint and then claim they were the aggressor. If there was ANY report that the kids had tried to break into his car or house, it would be a different conversation. But there is no such report, and it seems really odd that JPSO would leave out that detail if it existed.
If you mistakenly think someone might have been breaking into your car, then you mistakenly think they might have a gun or knife and shoot them, you fricked up and should pay the consequences. This is somehow only controversial because he’s a campus cop (who got fired from his previous cop job for failing a drug test).
Posted on 4/22/20 at 6:59 pm to CheEngineer
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Not true. In fear for his life. If the kid had anything in his hand that could have been mistaken for a gun or knife say a flashing cell phone the cop holds no responsibility for defending himself. Plus the guys a cop he knows what to say and not say in this situation more than likely.
You’re an idiot
Posted on 4/22/20 at 7:00 pm to CheEngineer
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Some random walks up to you says they are gonna beat your arse or kill you and come towards you. They initiated contact.
The cop initiated the contact
you don’t get to just cap someone walking down the street because you think their cell phone is a gun. Not even if it lights up this guy is going to do some well deserved jail time.This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 7:09 pm
Posted on 4/22/20 at 7:24 pm to Elleshoe
Has the cop had his car or house broken into before? Has it been recent? That area is not very nice. People are feed up with criminals. Was there a stay at home order? Woken up at 3am to car alarms is not nice. 3 cops shot in NOLA East last week. 2 were shot confronting people popping locks. Virus stuff has people on edge.
This post was edited on 4/22/20 at 7:28 pm
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