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re: Off duty cop shoots would be juvenile burglar in the head
Posted on 4/23/20 at 2:52 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
Posted on 4/23/20 at 2:52 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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Even if he was pulling door handles to try to steal shite (which he probably was) do you really think he deserves a death sentence?
I actually believe he does. Crude, extreme, or whatever, but it is pretty easy not to steal shite.
Deserves might be a strong word too. But, expecting as a consequence should be allowed.
This post was edited on 4/23/20 at 2:55 pm
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Posted on 4/23/20 at 2:56 pm to fightin tigers
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I have set off my own car alarm at 3am. The last thing on my mind is that I would look like a would be burglar and should worry about getting a shot to the head.
I was trying to shut it odd by any means possible.
No, but I'm sure your neighbors had their own ideas about what you looked like, at that particular moment.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 2:56 pm to oleheat
We are splitting hairs now, but in many neighborhoods around here the driveways are really short or maybe even in front of the house and might be only 20 to 30 feet long. Hell some don’t even have driveways.
So it would be easy to be near someone’s car if on a sidewalk or even if still in the street
So it would be easy to be near someone’s car if on a sidewalk or even if still in the street
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:03 pm to fightin tigers
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I actually believe he does.
I'm not condoning breaking into cars but I don't think we should allow anyone to be judge, jury, and executioner if there life isn't in immediate danger. Sure you could argue that kid "could have been armed" but he wasn't. If you are gonna shoot someone, you better be damned sure they are armed.
If the kid broke into his house, all bets are off and he has every right to kill that kid but I don't see how you can justify him leaving the safety of his home to put himself in a potentially dangerous situation, misreading said situation, and then carrying out his actions and call it self defense. If he thought the kid was armed, don't leave your house and call the cops. I think he put himself in that situation wanting a confrontation with those kids to show how much of a badass he is and it back fired.
This saying goes for both parties in this situation: Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:06 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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but I don't see how you can justify him leaving the safety of his home to put himself in a potentially dangerous situation, misreading said situation, and then carrying out his actions and call it self defense
Amen. This is all that really needs to be said and people with common sense will understand.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:09 pm to notiger1997
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but in many neighborhoods around here the driveways are really short or maybe even in front of the house and might be only 20 to 30 feet long. Hell some don’t even have driveways.
That's usually the kind of neighborhood they look for. Easier access.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:11 pm to oleheat
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That's usually the kind of neighborhood they look for. Easier access.
Probably true, but one or two of these teens lived a few doors down from the cop.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:21 pm to notiger1997
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Probably true, but one or two of these teens lived a few doors down from the cop.
Hell of a situation. I certainly don't envy the position of anyone involved...
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:27 pm to oleheat
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Hell of a situation. I certainly don't envy the position of anyone involved...
Yeah it sucks. Around where I live, there have been a lot of car break-ins over the last six months. People are getting very frustrated and I figured cases like this we are discussing would start happening more frequently.
A few months back I looked out the window and saw what looked like someone moving inside. I flashed turn the porch light on and off a few times. Finally figured out it was just a shadow from a tree blowing. I guess next I would have tried cracking the door and yelling then calling the police if they didn't move.
A few years ago at 4:00 in the morning a guy driving down the road hit my neighbors car that was parked in the street and it woke me up. He was driving in the right lane and somehow swerved all the way onto the left side to hit the car head on.
I heard the guy groan as I looked out the window and he started walking away. I called the cops and watched from the window, but no way was I going outside to confront what I assumed was a drunk or high guy. Once he was gone, we went and woke the neighbor up.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:29 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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This saying goes for both parties in this situation: Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
That is the truth. The cop is completely in the wrong here. Trying to blame the kid because it was dark or the alarm was going off is a defense, but not an excuse. The cop was wrong and should pay the price for being wrong. He made a choice, he was wrong.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:30 pm to fightin tigers
So what is the going prison time for negligent homocide?
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:31 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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I'm not condoning breaking into cars but I don't think we should allow anyone to be judge, jury, and executioner if there life isn't in immediate danger. Sure you could argue that kid "could have been armed" but he wasn't. If you are gonna shoot someone, you better be damned sure they are armed.
If the kid broke into his house, all bets are off and he has every right to kill that kid but I don't see how you can justify him leaving the safety of his home to put himself in a potentially dangerous situation, misreading said situation, and then carrying out his actions and call it self defense. If he thought the kid was armed, don't leave your house and call the cops. I think he put himself in that situation wanting a confrontation with those kids to show how much of a badass he is and it back fired.
This saying goes for both parties in this situation: Play stupid games, win stupid prizes.
This may be the most logical response I've read on TD all day, maybe all week.
This post was edited on 4/23/20 at 3:32 pm
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:33 pm to notiger1997
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So what is the going prison time for negligent homocide?
That is what I am thinking. Manslaughter or something. Anything from a few years to probation.
Posted on 4/23/20 at 3:33 pm to oleheat
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They did an excellent job of profiling themselves as car burglars, being near his car on his property at 3AM.
Someone being “near” my property at 3 AM is not grounds for me to shoot them.
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Being a police officer, he undoubtedly knows car burglars are usually armed.
Being a SUNO campus police officer who was fired from the Orleans Parish Sherrif’s Office after testing positive for oxycodone and methamphetamine, he undoubtedly has a history of poor judgement.
The fact that car burglars are usually armed (if that’s even true) is not grounds for me to shoot someone who I haven’t actually observed trying to break into my car.
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The fact that no weapon was found after they scattered doesn't mean one wasn't present before they were confronted. Believe that.
He told JPSO that he mistook the kid’s phone for a gun. The other two kids had already run away before the shooting. The fact that “someone, somewhere could have a weapon” is not grounds to shoot an unarmed 14 year old boy.
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But I wouldn't recommend making that assumption a rule to live by- because it may not work out that way.
Nor would I recommend confronting someone at gunpoint because they look suspicious. Much less pulling the trigger - “because it may not work out that way.”
Posted on 4/23/20 at 4:27 pm to Bert Macklin FBI
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Even if he was pulling door handles to try to steal shite (which he probably was) do you really think he deserves a death sentence?
I think if you frick with other peoples shite and create a situation that has the potential to end badly then you own whatever you get.
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