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re: Of all the gun law requests is wanting people trained and to get a license the dumbest?

Posted on 6/14/22 at 12:24 pm to
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
74885 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 12:24 pm to
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We make people take a test before they can drive. I don’t have a problem with training for purchasing a gun.


what about folks in rural America?
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36787 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 12:27 pm to
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Majority of gun training is to safely handle a firearm. As well as laws related to utilizing a firearm, justifiable force, etc.


It depends on the class.

I've got no issue with gun safety training.

I don't see how it stops a school shooting at all though. It's not like they are accidentally shooting kids.

The majority of gun training is how to get better at shooting after you've had safety training.
This post was edited on 6/14/22 at 12:28 pm
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46208 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 12:27 pm to
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We make people take a test before they can drive.


No we don't. You are only required to have a license to operate a vehicle on public roads. I grew up driving with my friend in his dad's old pickup on the farm starting at age 12.

ETA: Klark Kent beat me to it.

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I don’t have a problem with training for purchasing a gun.


I do. It's infringement.
This post was edited on 6/14/22 at 12:29 pm
Posted by brgfather129
Los Angeles, CA
Member since Jul 2009
17360 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 12:27 pm to
Shall not be infringed...or, this is different?

Posted by ELT
Member since Nov 2012
211 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 12:28 pm to
How do you exactly train someone not to shoot up a school?
Do you think the push for gun bans and new laws is bc someone accidentally shot themselves or someone else?? Uh no.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
RIP Hefty Lefty - 1981-2019
Member since Nov 2010
108047 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 12:30 pm to
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It depends on the class.


What classes in the past (because some states don't require them anymore) didn't include gun safety that were required to carry?

Kentucky's CCW includes gun safety and understanding of the laws around gun ownership/usage. It had very little to do with actual marksmanship.
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36787 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 12:30 pm to
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How do you exactly train someone not to shoot up a school?
Do you think the push for gun bans and new laws is bc someone accidentally shot themselves or someone else?? Uh no.


Exactly
Posted by ELT
Member since Nov 2012
211 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 12:31 pm to
Anyone who thinks mass murderers are going to be redirected over a gun safety course is the real idiot.
Posted by TackySweater
Member since Dec 2020
24650 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 12:34 pm to
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I'll go out on limb here... but maybe part of the training is to NOT KILL PEOPLE unnecessarily.??


If someone is dead set in going on a killing spree, no amount of training is going to make them change their mind.
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
74885 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 12:34 pm to
my Dad (60+) grew up in the sticks. By the time he was 12 years old he had his own .22. He hunted with it and shot it for sport (target shooting). Never, not once did he ever harm another human being with a single gun he’s ever owned. Only for hunting, target shooting, and self defense. Never a miss fire, never a single accident. He taught me, my brothers, my cousins, and a lot of friends/family firearm safety.

Now, 50 years later - apparently he should be required to take firearm safety training to purchase a new firearm because of a bunch of bleeding hearts who’ve never owned a firearm. “We gotta do something”

mmkay
This post was edited on 6/14/22 at 12:36 pm
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
75203 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 12:35 pm to
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Yes... let's make them better at killing people before we let them have a gun.

Advocating for gun safety and training is never dumb.
Posted by NATidefan
Two hours North of Birmingham
Member since Dec 2008
36787 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 12:35 pm to
Here's a typical hand gun 101 class.

quote:



Handgun 101 & Selection

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RATE: $120

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Course Description: 

We understand that shooting can be intimidating, so we take all the time needed to make sure you feel comfortable with a handgun. The course covers gun safety, parts of the handguns, ammunition and ammunition selection, loading/unloading, misfires, establishing your dominant eye, grip, stance, and more. Students then get one on one instruction on the range while shooting a variety of handguns to see which gun fits them the best.




Posted by mindbreaker
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
7916 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 12:36 pm to
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I do. It's infringement.


It also says well "regulated militia". See what happens when you just use the part you like. Training as a pre-requisite could very well fall on the "regulated" part of the 2nd.
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46208 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 12:36 pm to
quote:

Now, 50 years later - apparently he should be required to take firearm safety training to purchase a new firearm because of a bunch of bleeding hearts who’ve never owned a firearm. “We gotta do something”

mmkay


shite, what about those of us that spent time in the military, having to qualify on multiple weapons ever single year. We're supposed to take a "gun safety" course before we can buy a weapon now?

Yea, ok.
Posted by jmarto1
Houma, LA/ Las Vegas, NV
Member since Mar 2008
38730 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 12:38 pm to
The middle ground would be to incentivize it. Maybe offer a discount on for people who complete a course
Posted by Klark Kent
Houston via BR
Member since Jan 2008
74885 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 12:39 pm to
“thanks for joining the military son - but when you get back to the States, you gotta go take a ‘gun safety’ course to purchase a personal firearm. It’s the law. 26 year old poli-science majors back home says it’s what’s best. It’s the law”
This post was edited on 6/14/22 at 12:41 pm
Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46208 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 12:40 pm to
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It also says well "regulated militia".


I'm fully aware of every single word used in the Second Amendment, and also aware "muh regulated militia" is horseshite.

The SCOTUS has ruled that firearm ownership is an individual right. Period. Not an "individual right, but...." An individual right. Tying training requirements to the ownership of firearms is infringement, and the SCOTUS will strike it down as such.

If you have an issue with the 2nd, use the legal framework the founders intended: the amendment process.
Posted by mindbreaker
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
7916 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 12:40 pm to
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“thanks for joining the military son - but when you get back to the States, you gotta go take a ‘gun safety’ course to purchase a personal firearm.”


I'm sure military training would be used as enough training to qualify but by all means continue with you strawmen.
Posted by mindbreaker
Baton Rouge
Member since Dec 2011
7916 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 12:41 pm to
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and also aware "muh regulated militia" is horse shite.


cherry picking to fit your agenda. Got it. at least you are open about it

Posted by Centinel
Idaho
Member since Sep 2016
46208 posts
Posted on 6/14/22 at 12:41 pm to
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The middle ground would be to incentivize it. Maybe offer a discount on for people who complete a course


Now this I am 100% OK with. As I said, I'm a huge proponent of gun safety training...so long as it is not mandated by government fiat as a requisite to purchasing a weapon.
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