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re: Odds there is a COVID Vaccine

Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:41 pm to
Posted by LSURussian
Member since Feb 2005
133509 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:41 pm to
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Odds there is a COVID Vaccine
99%
Posted by borotiger
Murfreesboro Tennessee
Member since Jan 2004
13713 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:43 pm to
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yes, but neither were anywhere near the cases or demand as a vaccine for COVID




Vaccines were being developed for both until they, for the most part, disappeared.
Posted by dbeck
Member since Nov 2014
29454 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:45 pm to
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Odds there is a COVID Vaccine

0 percent. There can't be a vaccine for a virus that doesn't exist.
Posted by td01241
Savannah
Member since Nov 2012
27826 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:49 pm to
Great movie
Posted by lsu xman
Member since Oct 2006
16686 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:52 pm to
By the time a vaccine is available, our government would already ruin the economy to epic proportions.
This post was edited on 7/16/20 at 7:53 pm
Posted by LegendInMyMind
Member since Apr 2019
71405 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 7:55 pm to
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has there ever been a real reason to?

There has been plenty of reason to fund research into it. In life, knowledge is power. We've been flying blind since that first bat was eaten, and there is really no excuse for it. With the amount of garbage our government spends money on, Virology should outrank a whole lot of it.
This post was edited on 7/16/20 at 7:56 pm
Posted by tenderfoot tigah
Red Stick
Member since Sep 2004
11486 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:04 pm to
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Can you please tell me the long term effects of this rushed vaccine?


Bill Gates himself saying he expects 700,000 deaths from it.
Posted by tenderfoot tigah
Red Stick
Member since Sep 2004
11486 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:06 pm to
I can't believe there are people out there that would hurry to inject a rushed out vaccine from Gates, a known depopulationist.
Posted by skullhawk
My house
Member since Nov 2007
27103 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:09 pm to
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I'd say the odds are high simply because whoever figures it out will instantly make billions

money is the great motivator


I read that two of the big pharma companies (AstraZeneca and someone else) have agreed to sell their vaccine, if its “the one”, at cost.
Posted by TigerstuckinMS
Member since Nov 2005
33687 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:18 pm to
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I read that two of the big pharma companies (AstraZeneca and someone else) have agreed to sell their vaccine, if its “the one”, at cost.

That's just smart business. This virus likely isn't the type that just goes away, so it can be expected that there is a fairly good chance that it just becomes endemic, like the flu. A relatively short period of conferred immunity from a vaccine (like the flu vaccine) paired with genetic drift and multiple strains that circulate (like the flu) means that there is a possibility that any COVID shot becomes like the flu shot: produced yearly to respond to that year's strains and to boost immunity because the effect is not long-lasting.

A pharmaceutical company would be wise to forego profits in the short term to entrench themselves so they can enjoy first-mover effects after that as this becomes a vaccine they can sell moving forward.
This post was edited on 7/16/20 at 8:22 pm
Posted by Anaximander
3524 Third St New Orleans, LA
Member since Jun 2018
3412 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:21 pm to
I am a lot more impressed with the potential treatment developed by TAMU/MD Anderson.

It depends on a lot less factors than a typical vaccine.

quote:

Scientists from Texas A&M University, biopharmaceutical company Pulmotect and MD Anderson Cancer Center will be testing a lung inhalant drug that could provide short-term immunity against COVID-19.

Houston-based company Pulmotect was founded by Magnus H??k, regents professor at the Texas A&M Health Institute of Biosciences and Technology, and Dr. Burton Dickey, chair of the pulmonary department at MD Anderson Cancer Center. Pulmotect is developing the drug, PUL-042, which could be delivered as an aerosol for short-term protection against lung infections caused by several viruses, bacteria and fungi.

PUL-042 has had limited human testing, and has not shown any serious side effects. H??k said the drug is unique because it can protect against pneumonia caused by a variety of different microbes, but is most effective against viruses.

“PUL-042 activates a component of the immune system, but it’s not the adaptive immune system that we are used to talking about — the drug targets the innate immune system,” H??k said. “We don’t need to know what the virus is, we don’t have to have knowledge of the molecules that make up the virus, which you have to have to start making your vaccine that will hopefully provide longer and stronger protection. The uniqueness is that with all conventional vaccines you have to have a lot of other knowledge of the virus, but here you don’t. It attacks all of the viruses that we have tried, most bacteria, and even some fungi.”

PUL-042 is composed of two small synthetic molecules, and works by stimulating specific innate immune receptors in the lung lining within minutes. H??k said it is believed the drug will be effective in protecting against COVID-19 since animal data shows it protects against other coronaviruses such as MERS and SARS. PUL-042 protection only lasts for approximately three to five days, but is able to be repeatedly administered every third or fourth day.


TAMU
Posted by Shaun176
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
2904 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:24 pm to
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dds there is a COVID Vaccine


100%

There are currently 2 western vaccines (Moderna and Oxford) that have proven to be safe and effective in peer reviewed studies.
Posted by notiger1997
Metairie
Member since May 2009
61266 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:31 pm to
I sure as hell hope so. Back in March I had assumed that by now we would be in Phase 3 by now.
Life must go on at some point
Posted by Shaun176
Baton Rouge
Member since Aug 2008
2904 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:35 pm to
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Phase 3 by now.


Oxford is in phase 3, Moderna goes in Phase 3 next week.
Posted by skullhawk
My house
Member since Nov 2007
27103 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:43 pm to
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Oxford is in phase 3, Moderna goes in Phase 3 next week.


This guy is poo pooing the Oxford vaccine

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William Haseltine, a former professor at Harvard Medical School who spent years researching HIV, wrote a piece in Forbes arguing that the Oxford vaccine looked like it would be only partially protective, because it didn’t generate high levels of neutralizing antibodies, which defend cells against infection. “What happens when you have a vaccine with people running around with virus spewing out of their nose? Anyone who is not vaccinated or not vaccinated well is going to get infected,” Haseltine told me on a Zoom call. “My guess is the Oxford vaccine isn’t going to be powerful enough for older people, so they will have to boost it up, and boosting it up can have side effects.”
Posted by LSUGrad00
Member since Dec 2003
2428 posts
Posted on 7/16/20 at 8:52 pm to
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Can you please tell me the long term effects of this rushed vaccine?


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