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Posted on 7/27/23 at 8:17 am to Corinthians420
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The science is solid, it's the money grab government policies that are the problem
No, the science is being funded by the government, which only wants to hear one answer. Scientists who produce that answer are richly rewarded, like the guys who produced this paper. What happened with the oil-funded researchers is that they bullied the other side out of being able to get any funding, so now it's "settled" and "solid."
Posted on 7/27/23 at 8:19 am to TigerIron
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No, the science is being funded by the government, which only wants to hear one answer. Scientists who produce that answer are richly rewarded, like the guys who produced this paper. What happened with the oil-funded researchers is that they bullied the other side out of being able to get any funding, so now it's "settled" and "solid."
We found proof Exxon even believed in climate change and hid it.
You probably also believe the cigarette companies didn't think they were bad for people.
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Exxon’s scientists were uncannily accurate in their projections from the 1970s onwards, predicting an upward curve of global temperatures and carbon dioxide emissions that is close to matching what actually occurred as the world heated up at a pace not seen in millions of years.
Exxon scientists predicted there would be global heating of about 0.2C a decade due to the emissions of planet-heating gases from the burning of oil, coal and other fossil fuels. The new analysis, published in Science, finds that Exxon’s science was highly adept and the “projections were also consistent with, and at least as skillful as, those of independent academic and government models”.
LINK
This post was edited on 7/27/23 at 8:23 am
Posted on 7/27/23 at 8:22 am to TutHillTiger
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It would trigger the collapse of the oceanic conveyor system and it would be a world wide ice age
Dude, in the early 80's these same type of folks were saying people would be mooring boats to the Washington Monument by the year 2000. Here it is 2023 and it's still standing on dry land.
It's fear porn and it's a mistake to buy into it
Posted on 7/27/23 at 8:22 am to Corinthians420
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We found proof Exxon even believed in climate change and hid it.
You probably also believe the cigarette companies didn't think they were bad for people.
No, some "researchers" claimed Exxon knew based on data analysis, and for their efforts they got worldwide positive attention from the BBC in the story you linked.
You're proving my point, not yours.
This is from your link:
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One of the world's largest oil companies accurately forecast how climate change would cause global temperature to rise as long ago as the 1970s, researchers claim. ExxonMobil's private research predicted how burning fossil fuels would warm the planet but the company publicly denied the link, they suggest. The academics analysed data in the company's internal documents. ExxonMobil denied the allegations. "This issue has come up several times in recent years and, in each case, our answer is the same: those who talk about how "Exxon Knew" are wrong in their conclusions," the company told BBC News.
Posted on 7/27/23 at 8:31 am to LPLGTiger
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because of human-caused climate change
Posted on 7/27/23 at 8:40 am to BaconGrease
They took all the statues down that were blocking the sun…
Posted on 7/27/23 at 8:41 am to LPLGTiger
No doubt more windmills, solar farms and rich people on private planes will solve this problem.
Posted on 7/27/23 at 8:47 am to Corinthians420
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LINKthat is the link which shows how accurate Exxon’s projections from the 70s and 80s were. Why do you trust what Exxon says when their own data disagrees with it?
That's just a study manufactured to support lawsuits against Exxon. It even says that's what it is. Unless you analyzed the data or reviewed the documents yourself, your level of confidence in the conclusions is wildly overblown. They set out to prove "Exxon knew" in aid of the lawsuits, they came up with the desired conclusions, and the BBC blasted it worldwide, and know it's something you "know" is "fact."
Posted on 7/27/23 at 8:50 am to TigerIron
Remember the sign in Glacier National Park?
Posted on 7/27/23 at 8:55 am to LPLGTiger
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Such a collapse could trigger rapid weather and climate changes in the U.S., Europe and elsewhere. If it were to happen, it could bring about an Ice age in Europe and sea-level rise in cities such as Boston and New York, as well as more potent storms and hurricanes along the East Coast.
I thought warming melted ice and raised sea level, so now you are telling me that cooling and more ice also raises sea levels?
OMG we are so fricked.
Posted on 7/27/23 at 9:04 am to SpotCheckBilly
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so now you are telling me that cooling and more ice also raises sea levels?
Jesus Christ we really are living in an idiocracy. The sea level would rise on the east coast of the US due to the current weakening, not because of more ice.
The northward surface flow of the Amoc leads to a deflection of water masses to the right, away from the US east coast. This is due to Earth's rotation that diverts moving objects such as currents to the right in the northern hemisphere and to the left in the southern hemisphere. As the current slows down, this effect weakens and more water can pile up at the US east coast, leading to an enhanced sea level rise.
Posted on 7/27/23 at 9:15 am to LPLGTiger
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Ice age in Europe
Are we heating up or cooling off? Make up your minds clowns
Posted on 7/27/23 at 9:16 am to LPLGTiger
Notice the judicious use of the word “could”. They “could” also continue to function like normal.
Posted on 7/27/23 at 9:20 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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They “could” also continue to function like normal.
Too late for that. It's already at its weakest point in over a millennium and has slowed down 15% since the 1950s.
There really is no "normal" though. It will just be different than it has been in our countries lifetime
This post was edited on 7/27/23 at 9:22 am
Posted on 7/27/23 at 9:22 am to Corinthians420
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Too late for that. It's already at its weakest point in over a millennium and has slowed down 15% since the 1950s.
Yes, and it will take 20 years for California to recover from the drought. Oh, wait - what happened?
We know some things about nature, but not enough to definitively predict shite.
Posted on 7/27/23 at 9:22 am to LPLGTiger
You can't be afraid of the pendulum if they keep raising it. By this time, the fear is gone because you know it's never going to reach you.
Posted on 7/27/23 at 9:25 am to LPLGTiger
So the moon will stop pulling the tides? The earth will stop spinning?
This post was edited on 7/27/23 at 9:26 am
Posted on 7/27/23 at 9:25 am to Mid Iowa Tiger
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We know some things about nature, but not enough to definitively predict shite.
This is true. Could get hit by a meteor tomorrow and all models go out the window. Also I don't agree with the word "collapse" in the OP article. I think it will continue to weaken for a long time but not sure it would stop completely, certainly not in our lifetimes.
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