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O&G Sector Guys/Baws/Dolls: Domestic Production. Do We HAVE To Import Right Now?

Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:30 pm
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
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Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:30 pm

I know very little re: domestic production of crude and I am curious about our ability to sustain demand for ourselves, by ourselves. I know we now export oil which seems like a sign we could at least minimally?

Is our dependence on foreign (ME) oil close to or currently a thing of the past if we want it to be?
Posted by raw dog
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Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:32 pm to
Short answer - We will always have to import due to the grade of oil we produce domestically, it simply isn't the right type of crude to fill a lot of our refineries.

Export light oil
Import heavier oil
This post was edited on 1/9/19 at 12:33 pm
Posted by bamarep
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Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:43 pm to
Why wouldn't we be retrofitting existing refineries to handle our own oil rather than someone else's?
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
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Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:43 pm to

So just as a guage, is WTx or Bakken light crude or other?
Posted by crazyLSUstudent
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Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:44 pm to
Economics
Posted by BitBuster
Lafayette
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Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:45 pm to
There is an article in this month's Time magazine saying that due to fracking in Texas, the US is now the world's largest oil exporter.

Like a previous poster said, refining that oil is a different matter entirely.

ETA: Link to the Time article
This post was edited on 1/9/19 at 12:47 pm
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
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Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:48 pm to

Interesting. Seems like International refineries would be less equipped for our oil as well.
Posted by Golfer
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Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:51 pm to
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Why wouldn't we be retrofitting existing refineries to handle our own oil rather than someone else's?


They are, somewhat. But it still has to make financial sense.
Posted by Beessnax
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Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:52 pm to
Right....what do the people who buy our oil do with it? Make candles?
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
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Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:57 pm to

Just seems like in any long term or extrapolated equation, investment today would be the smartest investment. Is this some sort of foreshadowing for gasoline combustible engines? Is that what Big Oil is thinking?
Posted by polizei11
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Posted on 1/9/19 at 12:59 pm to
Crude oil is comprised of varying percentages of alkanes, naphtenes, aromatics and asphaltics. Heavy crudes are blended with lighter crudes to reduce their viscosity (reason #1) to enable transportation the refinery. The blend is more expensive (reason #2) than the sum of the parts. A blended crude will yield more individual products than either a light crude or heavy crude alone.
This post was edited on 1/9/19 at 1:08 pm
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
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Posted on 1/9/19 at 1:08 pm to

Let me run a hypothetical by you based upon that information which is good.

Let's assume all we produce is light crude.
Now, let's say we know that synthesizing biodiesel from cooking oil can be done.

Is there a way our own light crude can be used in a synthsization of a product akin to biodiesel that vehicles can use if manufactured toward that idea?

I guess im just socked we haven't advanced more toward what we have domestically. It's all we've heard about for 30 years.
Posted by Volvagia
Fort Worth
Member since Mar 2006
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Posted on 1/9/19 at 1:22 pm to
quote:

Why wouldn't we be retrofitting existing refineries to handle our own oil rather than someone else's?


Because it isn’t just a type of refining process for types of oil. The types of oil is determined by the factions within it. A given unit of light oil can be refined into more gasoline/kerosene than a given unit of heavy oil.

So in order to tailor operations to meet demand, you need to refine both. Otherwise you’ll generate a surplus of an item you can’t find enough customers for by processing enough oil to meet demand of a different item.



On a related note, all this talk about domestic vs foreign product is nothing more than ignorant political grandstanding.

Oil is a fungible commodity. It really doesn’t matter as far as day to day operations goes. It’s a nice boon to economic activity but it’s the act of drilling producting a product of global value, not the source/destination.

Rigs sell the product at global market prices into pipelines, and refineries buy it.


It’s not like the oil drilled in the Gulf is direct piped into the refineries in LA/TX.
Posted by Volvagia
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Posted on 1/9/19 at 1:25 pm to
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Let's assume all we produce is light crude.
Now, let's say we know that synthesizing biodiesel from cooking oil can be done.

Is there a way our own light crude can be used in a synthsization of a product akin to biodiesel that vehicles can use if manufactured toward that idea?


The question isn’t if it is possible. It’s if it is economically viable to do on an industrial scale.

Part of the reason why we use the fuels we do is that those carbon carbon bonds contain a lot of energy. To change things around you’ll have to invest a lot of chemical energy into a reaction and only get a fraction of it back in fuel form.
Posted by raw dog
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Posted on 1/9/19 at 1:25 pm to
quote:

Why wouldn't we be retrofitting existing refineries to handle our own oil rather than someone else's?


I don't think you can just retrofit a major refinery to change its whole configuration to run a vastly different type of crude. Think you can probably just make adjustments around the edges. These types of investments would take several years and hundreds of millions of dollars.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
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Posted on 1/9/19 at 1:40 pm to

So the industry backed it's own self into this technology problem and can't undo it.
Posted by tigerinthebueche
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Posted on 1/9/19 at 1:44 pm to
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So the industry backed it's own self into this technology problem and can't undo it.



more like environmentalists and env. regulations deter "the industry" from building new refineries. This isn't anything new. Whenever the "industry" tries to do anything about it, they get tree huggers going ape shite. cost isn't worth the effort to "the industry".
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Posted on 1/9/19 at 1:47 pm to
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Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
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Posted on 1/9/19 at 1:56 pm to

Any I guess. Just lumping all domestic crude honestly, regardless of extraction origin. Don't know much about the refining aspects in any capacity.
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