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re: Nursing student disappears after reporting toddler walking on interstate UPDATE: ARRESTED
Posted on 7/15/23 at 3:31 pm to dallastigers
Posted on 7/15/23 at 3:31 pm to dallastigers
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Posted on 7/15/23 at 3:43 pm to real turf fan
You can see from the pic just how thick those trees are. You’d have a very hard time walking into them voluntarily at night much less dragging someone into them. Width wise I’d say they are probably 15’ to 20’ thick at most before you’re in someone’s backyard. Realistically, she either hoofed it up to the exit about a half mile down or she went directly through the woods and into the neighborhood. Anyone just posted up there waiting for a victim would be waiting a long time.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 3:51 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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There’s no second car in the video.
Yet a witness reported one and police found fresh tire tracks in the grass per the article.
A car pulled all the way off the shoulder over in the grass would likely would not be visible in the video. And if memory serves me, at that stretch of interstate, the grassy area between the interstate and tree line is fairly manicured. Would have been easy for another vehicle to just drive through the grass towards the exit a half mile away with their headlights off.
The whole “she just walked off” just doesn’t make sense.
My gut tells me she drove thru the curve and saw something in her headlights. She thought it was a child. She turned around at the next exit, which was only a 1/2 mile away, and hauled arse looping back around to the galleria exit and back. She was probably wondering “what the heck should I do?” It would not be improbable that she didn’t call the police for a few minutes while she was driving. It probably only took 10 minutes to make the loop, traffic would not have been bad at 9:30. While doing that, she called 911, and then the SIL. You can make the timeline work as long as she didn’t call 911 immediately, which is very possible. Then, when she got back she pulled over with her hazards on where she thought she had seen the kid. Didn’t see anything, so she drove on looking. Didn’t see him/her, so she stopped to get out and look for them. On the zoomed video you can see she had the rear passenger door open a while. Like she was looking for something. A flashlight perhaps? If she had a bag packed to get away, why take so long? And why, if she planned it, did she not just have it in the front passenger seat. And I just can’t see her leaving her weave and phone on the ground. And her car running on the side of the interstate. Anyway, my take on it might be completely wrong: but while the neighborhood is close, it isn’t that close. At night, a lot of things can happen in the dark.
There are lots of examples of people being abducted in much more crowded places in broad daylight.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 4:09 pm to captdalton
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A car pulled all the way off the shoulder over in the grass would likely would not be visible in the video.
Look at the pic posted above, look at google maps and look at the video. It's emergency lane, grass and woods. There is no room to hide a vehicle. Every car that passes in the video illuminates the shoulder. There is no second car in any stretch of the video. Furthermore, no vehicle can be seen entering the interstate from the shoulder. Even if the headlights are off, there are no break lights that appear either. Traffic doesn't quickly change patterns for a vehicle with no lights suddenly swerving onto the interstate... What I can tell you is that there is/was as of yesterday evening a brown/grey Toyota Tacoma sitting abandoned in the grass around mile maker 12 just before this. I know this because I saw it with my own eyes yesterday evening on the way home.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 4:11 pm to real turf fan
And as usual, Daily Mail UK seems to be doing a better job reporting it than any domestic channel. From a video in that article, it sure looks like they are very interested in an area over by the tree line just past the exit sign. The exit sign where she stopped her car and got out: Wonder if that is where the tracks and/or her personal belongings were found?
And IF a vehicle had been pulled over there, or she had been abducted there, there would be no way to see if from the traffic cam.
And IF a vehicle had been pulled over there, or she had been abducted there, there would be no way to see if from the traffic cam.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 4:13 pm to captdalton
It's definitely strange. Things to think about:
1) we have video of her car pulling over and her getting out. Cop shows up behind her 3 minutes later. The video shot should be able to go back to daylight and show if any cars are in the area. If there was a car in the area then it's on video. If it's in video why haven't the police released the image?
2) if we had a more specific cell phone record then this would make more sense. Why was she the only one on the interstate reporting a child? You would think others would be calling in saying hey now that you mention it I did see something. Maybe folks are.
I hope the girl is found. Terrifying for the family.
1) we have video of her car pulling over and her getting out. Cop shows up behind her 3 minutes later. The video shot should be able to go back to daylight and show if any cars are in the area. If there was a car in the area then it's on video. If it's in video why haven't the police released the image?
2) if we had a more specific cell phone record then this would make more sense. Why was she the only one on the interstate reporting a child? You would think others would be calling in saying hey now that you mention it I did see something. Maybe folks are.
I hope the girl is found. Terrifying for the family.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 4:19 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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Look at the pic posted above, look at google maps and look at the video. It's emergency lane, grass and woods. There is no room to hide a vehicle. Every car that passes in the video illuminates the shoulder
Watch the video again and then tell me you can see anything other than black in the circle behind the exit sign.
This was the “brightest” moment in the video I could see. And I can’t see squat. Maybe I missed the ol’ boy driving by spotlighting deer. But I never could see if something was, or wasn’t, in that dark area behind and past the sign. If I missed it, please screenshot it for us.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 4:20 pm to StringedInstruments
If a baby is on the side of the road, ignore.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 4:32 pm to captdalton
I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. The green in the video is the grass. The tree line literally starts at the edge of the green. All that darkness you are pointing at is the trees. That exact spot also leads from the grass, up a hill and into a neighborhood. There is absolutely no where to hide a vehicle in that area. Stop focusing on her car and watch the shoulder of the road directly in front of and behind her car. The grass is constantly illuminated by the headlights of passing vehicles. Watch it as many times as you like, you will not see one instance of a car on the side of the road that is either entering or leaving the area.
This post was edited on 7/15/23 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 7/15/23 at 4:32 pm to HailToTheChiz
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if we had a more specific cell phone record then this would make more sense. Why was she the only one on the interstate reporting a child?
If she did in fact loop around, she was likely on the same tower the whole time. The Galleria exit is 13. The Hoover/Hwy 150 exit, where her car was left and where she would have turned around, and where her belongings were found, is exit 10. So, they are 3 miles apart. They already know she travelled through there. And what does it really matter? Her whereabouts leading up to her disappearance are known. They are in the initial article. And they have her phone. But she isn’t with it.
And who knows about the kid. Maybe others did see it? I doubt law enforcement is sharing every tidbit of information they have. They rarely do.
And I don’t doubt that others could have seen a kid on the side of the road and just said “oh well”. You see examples constantly of really horrible crap happening now days. And the vast majority of the time bystanders either a) ignore it or b) film it. A kid wandering on the side of the road wouldn’t be interesting enough to film. So they would go with plan a, just ignore it.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 4:37 pm to captdalton
Look at the pictures again. Can you see the exit sign in the dark? Yes? It isn’t in the trees. Now look down at it’s base. What do you see? Complete darkness. That is grass. There is a strip of grass along the treeline that is in complete darkness. I won’t argue with you about something that just is.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 4:41 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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All that darkness you are pointing at is the trees.
Reiterating this point. No one is going to see anything in that dark area on the night video because it is a thicket of trees.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 4:43 pm to StringedInstruments
This reminds me of an incident that happened during my childhood around 1975 or so, give or take a year. My parents and three siblings were coming back from visiting Astroworld for our summer vacation. We were loaded up in the station wagon and we had just crossed over the bridge coming into Lake Charles.
After coming down the incline I, another sibling, and my mother saw a young girl with a teddy bear (no more than 5 years old) in the median among the tall grass. It upset us all so much that we got off at the exit or turned around and came back and went to the State Police offices which were right there by the rest stop.
We looked for the child in the median but did not see her and reported this to the State Police. We waited while they sent someone to look, but they found nothing and no one. They also said they had received similar reports before.
We left feeling defeated and strange and have thought about it sporadically through the years. Runaway...Ghost story...you decide. But it happened.
After coming down the incline I, another sibling, and my mother saw a young girl with a teddy bear (no more than 5 years old) in the median among the tall grass. It upset us all so much that we got off at the exit or turned around and came back and went to the State Police offices which were right there by the rest stop.
We looked for the child in the median but did not see her and reported this to the State Police. We waited while they sent someone to look, but they found nothing and no one. They also said they had received similar reports before.
We left feeling defeated and strange and have thought about it sporadically through the years. Runaway...Ghost story...you decide. But it happened.
This post was edited on 7/15/23 at 4:45 pm
Posted on 7/15/23 at 4:43 pm to captdalton
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A car pulled all the way off the shoulder over in the grass would likely would not be visible in the video.
Where did it go before cops pulled up at end of video? Headlights of traffic would have picked it up moving before cop arrived. Even if traffic cam couldn’t at least some of the cars passing by would have noticed. Her hazard lights would have drawn attention to looking in that direction. It may have been hard to see something quickly happening just as her car came into view especially for cars in outside lanes (like pulled down and then dragged into words or her walking off into them), but a car driving forward on the side would have added time and made it more noticeable to passing cars. Maybe they told police and they are keeping it silent for now, but seems like it would be difficult to keep witnesses silent for long in a missing persons case.
This post was edited on 7/15/23 at 5:09 pm
Posted on 7/15/23 at 4:45 pm to Ghost of Colby
Here is the grass and tree line again for anyone who wants to believe there was some mysterious car hidden along the roadway
where are you going to hide it? You're talking about a strip of grass maybe 2 car widths wide and thick heavy woods. Every car in the video lights up the grass. The dark area is those trees. On the other side is a neighborhood.
where are you going to hide it? You're talking about a strip of grass maybe 2 car widths wide and thick heavy woods. Every car in the video lights up the grass. The dark area is those trees. On the other side is a neighborhood.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 4:51 pm to captdalton
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And IF a vehicle had been pulled over there, or she had been abducted there, there would be no way to see if from the traffic cam
From the video you can see cars exit the interstate at the next exit and some that continue on. So where did this hidden car go before the end of the video when the cops arrive?
Posted on 7/15/23 at 4:52 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
Ok, I think you two have worn the hell out of the debate about a car in the grass or not. 
Posted on 7/15/23 at 4:54 pm to captdalton
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A car pulled all the way off the shoulder over in the grass would likely would not be visible in the video. And if memory serves me, at that stretch of interstate, the grassy area between the interstate and tree line is fairly manicured. Would have been easy for another vehicle to just drive through the grass towards the exit a half mile away with their headlights off.
There would still be traffic video of a car pulling into the grassy area during the night or day. No reports of that anywhere.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 4:57 pm to notiger1997
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Ok, I think you two have worn the hell out of the debate about a car in the grass or not
I don’t know what else to say. It’s not even a debate. There’s simply no car or any place to hide a car.
Posted on 7/15/23 at 4:58 pm to Blizzard of Chizz
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I'm not sure what point you are trying to make. The green in the video is the grass. The tree line literally starts at the edge of the green. All that darkness you are pointing at is the trees
The brown line is the approximate tree line. You can tell in the daytime pic that the tree line starts at right side of the exit sign. The green line is where it goes dark and the grass slopes down towards the trees. Between the two is just grass. And darkness. If the tree line started at the darkness, we wouldn’t be able to see the sign. Because it would be in the woods. There is a narrow strip, a couple car widths wide; or about as wide as the exit sign; that is not illuminated by any of the lights from the passing vehicles in that traffic cam video. I am not saying there is a vehicle there. I am not saying there is not a vehicle there. I am just saying it is dark and you can’t tell from the traffic cam video. But a witness says there was one. And law enforcement seems very interested in that area.
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