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re: Not Enough Research of the Protection Levels of Natural Immunity of Infection
Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:17 pm to PentagonTiger
Posted on 8/16/21 at 9:17 pm to PentagonTiger
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I had a cousin who had Covid about 13 months ago and it was super mild (just lost taste and smell and a very low fever) she got an antibody test before going back to college last August and don’t have any antibodies
Antibodies are short lived. In fact, the most recent study on natural immunity showed plummeting levels of antibodies within 4 months after a CoVID infection.
So they tested the marrow and memory B-cells at 11 months, using the same test subjects. The results confirmed that the antibodies would be immediately produced in sufficient strength to combat any new infections.
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Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:10 pm to jimmy the leg
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That’s a great study you chose to link.
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The findings in this report are subject to at least five limitations.
Yes indeed, that study seems pretty interesting, but limited, and fortunately its authors point out some of the issues. Real scientific analysis of many of the covid issues is very complicated and difficult. IMO most of the science behind the covid issues--like infectiousness/transmissibility, mask effectiveness/ineffectiveness, and vaccine protectiveness--is way more complicated and uncertain than the large majority of the media, and I hate to say it but the large majority of the TD posters, want to make it out to be. IMO on some issues it points heavily in certain directions, but only as generalities subject to significant uncertainties and qualifications/limitations.
But that's not what our sound-bite world wants to hear--or what our stay-on-message media wants to present.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:27 pm to STEVED00
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The govt can literally print $ to have a study performed.
You aren't paying attention.
Posted on 8/16/21 at 11:34 pm to RC
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I think the problem is that there are likely a lot of false positive tests out there, so you can't really study the effectiveness of prior infection if you can't be sure who was really infected.
That's simply not true.
You have to do an active study though. You have to identify people who have had positive tests and who show an antibody response. Then you have to track them over time like you do with the vaccine studies.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 7:05 am to Ronaldo Burgundiaz
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Just like when Fauci "lied" about masks not working in March of last year. He claims he "lied" on purpose to keep the public from making a run on masks
Did he really say this? If that's true he's even worse of a grandstander than I thought. I still keep seeing and hearing of statements from him on this still today - how does he have any credibility left and who keeps going to him for opinions?
Posted on 8/17/21 at 7:12 am to STEVED00
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What are the holdups? Why can they figure out the efficacy of the vaccines so quickly but not natural immunity?
You can’t find something you’re not seeking.
Posted on 8/17/21 at 7:17 am to STEVED00
If you look, you will find contrasting articles on which is better between the vaccine and natural immunity. The majority i have seen though, point to natural immunity not working as well against different variants of covid
Posted on 8/17/21 at 7:20 am to STEVED00
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The medical community can give an efficacy value for each type of vaccine for both preventing serious illness and preventing infection
Why did they quit counting breakthrough infections?
Posted on 8/17/21 at 7:23 am to josh336
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The majority i have seen though, point to natural immunity not working as well against different variants of covid
The ONLY scientific analysis I read from Israel showed natural immunity was 7x as effective....so
Posted on 8/17/21 at 7:49 am to Strannix
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The ONLY scientific analysis I read from Israel showed natural immunity was 7x as effective....so
can you share?
because this scientific analysis from Israel says the opposite
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“In fact, the level of antibodies found in the blood of vaccinated persons was four times higher than that found in convalescents,” the TAU statement said.
LINK
LINK
Posted on 8/17/21 at 8:18 am to Salmon
This would not be difficult to research IF they wanted to.
Just take everyone who tested positive and if this was a proven reinfection to get the % of people that are getting reinfected.
and then out of those reinfections just take the % that had a mild case the first time and then required hospitalization and death the second time infected and if they are vaccinated or not.
Then we would have:
% reinfection without vaccine
% reinfection with vaccine
% reinfection with hospitalization or death without vaccine
% reinfection with hospitalization or death with vaccine
Then we could compare the numbers to see if the vaccine actually helps people who have recovered from COVID.
Does anyone know where to find the % of reinfection?
I do not think they keep this stastic and if not WHY?
Don't you think this would be an important reason for people hesitant to get the vaccine, to get it, if data showed reinfections and hospitalization were common in unvaccinated people?
Just take everyone who tested positive and if this was a proven reinfection to get the % of people that are getting reinfected.
and then out of those reinfections just take the % that had a mild case the first time and then required hospitalization and death the second time infected and if they are vaccinated or not.
Then we would have:
% reinfection without vaccine
% reinfection with vaccine
% reinfection with hospitalization or death without vaccine
% reinfection with hospitalization or death with vaccine
Then we could compare the numbers to see if the vaccine actually helps people who have recovered from COVID.
Does anyone know where to find the % of reinfection?
I do not think they keep this stastic and if not WHY?
Don't you think this would be an important reason for people hesitant to get the vaccine, to get it, if data showed reinfections and hospitalization were common in unvaccinated people?
This post was edited on 8/17/21 at 9:24 am
Posted on 8/17/21 at 9:47 am to PentagonTiger
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Lafayette general posted a psa from one of their doctors saying that the problem with natural infection is that everyone receives a different amount of antibodies based on the severity of the infection. If you had a very minor infection over a year ago, chances are that your immunity isn’t that great. I had a cousin who had Covid about 13 months ago and it was super mild (just lost taste and smell and a very low fever) she got an antibody test before going back to college last August and don’t have any antibodies. However, I bet someone who had a pretty rough go of it with Covid probably had antibodies that lasted a lot longer.
This is a good point with regard to our ability to adequately compare both populations. We can compare vaccinated persons because they have nearly identical dosage. Natural immunity folks have experienced a much wider range of viral load. I would think their immune response also varies greatly.
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