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re: Normandy Church Terror: ISIS Slits Throat of Preist and Takes Nuns Hostage
Posted on 7/26/16 at 11:28 am to Darth_Vader
Posted on 7/26/16 at 11:28 am to Darth_Vader
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I know this may be asking to much but for one moment, set aside emotion and use logic to consider this issue.
Oh, the delightful irony. Coming from Mr. BOMB THE frick OUTTA EM!
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Problem: Terrorists are increasingly carrying out attacks in the West.
Details: All the terrorists are Muslims who look and act like regular Muslims right up until the moment they strike. They live in and among the Muslim community which itself refuses to intergrade into Western society.
Terrorist Goals: Destruction of Western Civilization to be replaced with Islamic Caliphate in the West.
So that's what we're looking at. They want to kill you, me, and anyone else who does not submit to their Caliphate. There is no middle ground for them. They will get everything or die trying. So how do you stop such an enemy? Logic dictates either you destroy them or they destroy you. The only other option is to remove them from the West and let them have their part of the world while we have ours. If you know of another solution, let's hear it.
Yeah, you still didn't answer my question as to why we should deport every American muslim. Just more raw emotion and regurgitation of buzz phrases.
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Posted on 7/26/16 at 11:29 am to Y.A. Tittle
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I just think it can be folly to think there must ALWAYS be some sort of correlation to something "we've" done every time this shite happens
I do too, at least on a moral or justification plane. On a more simplistic X gets a Y response level, I think it's true.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 11:30 am to TexasTiger90
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Quote from a WWII veteran
"The hell you can't. Because we did it. These Muslims are no different than the [Imperial] Japanese. The Japs had their suicide bombers too. And we stopped them. What it takes is the resolve and will to use a level of brutality and violence that your generations can't stomach. And until you can, this shite won't stop. It took us on the beaches with bullets, clearing out caves with flame throwers, and men like LeMay burning down their cities killing people by the tens of thousands. And then it took 2 atom bombs on top of it. But if that was what it took to win we were willing to do it. Until you are willing to do the same...well I hope you enjoy this shite, because it ain't going to stop."
Quote from a WWII veteran overhearing someone say that `You can't bomb an ideology."
That low-post lesbo who bailed on the OT yesterday because of its stupidity may have been on to something. 
Posted on 7/26/16 at 11:31 am to upgrayedd
quote:I strongly dislike Assad, but at this point, I'm becoming convinced that we won't be able to end the civil war without him being in power. The Syrian military just encircled the rebel-held section of Aleppo, and things look dire for the rebels in that region. If the Syrian regime captures Aleppo, the rebellion is really fricked, and there's no way Assad steps down.
This will never happen. It's just not how the ME works.
As much as it sucks, Assad is likely the best answer we currently have.
Right now I think our focus has to be on destroying ISIS. Trying to prop up the rebellion has forced us to support some ready shady groups.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 11:31 am to Y.A. Tittle
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. I just think it can be folly to think there must ALWAYS be some sort of correlation to something "we've" done every time this shite happens. I don't think Roger is one who ascribes to that position, though.
I think I clarified that later on, but did miss part of your original question which was my bad.
It's not solely on the US, it started long before we put troops in SA to liberate Kuwait. The flow of "liberators" and arms started with the Soviet war in Afghanistan.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 11:31 am to 14caratgoldjones
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A lot of the Catholic vote goes to the Dems.
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14caratgoldjones
Not from this Catholic! The dems are useless bums.
Bombs those f'n creatures into oblivion (the muslims)!!!!!!!!
This post was edited on 7/26/16 at 11:33 am
Posted on 7/26/16 at 11:31 am to Hog on the Hill
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I've repeated my thoughts ad nauseum in this thread. We need to defeat ISIS first by supporting our allies in the ground, as we have been doing. It's working, which I've already explained extensively, so I won't rehash my reasons for believing that.
Again, we've tried this for years and it's not worked. And in fact, it's only made things much worse.
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Then we need to continue empowering, encouraging, and supporting our allies in Iraq and Syria to create stability in their countries by creating inclusive governments that represent the various ethnicities and factions that exist. We cannot afford to allow groups to be marginalized, because that fuels fractiousness and radicalism.
Another ting we've tried since the 80's. Remember the Mujahideen of the 80s that became Al-Qaeda in the 90s?
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These two things combined will halt the flow of refugees into the west. They will undermine the narrative of radical, anti-west Islamism. This strategy will allow us to continue projecting our influence on the Middle East without being viewed as invaders, occupiers, or oppressors.
LOL. No. You fail to see that the goal of the Islamists (no matter what they call themselves at any given time) is to conquer and colonize the West. And one of the main ways they're doing it is to flood the West with immigrants to spread Islam here.
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Killing innocents is the exact opposite of what we need to do.
Keep living in your fairy tail world.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 11:33 am to Darth_Vader
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fairy tail
literally gay
Posted on 7/26/16 at 11:33 am to Salmon
I don't want to kill innocents over there and stick our dick any further into that hornets nest.
I do, however, want to immediately halt all immigration from those countries into the United States.
Then pull our troops off the ground and increase air attacks and hold Saudi Arabia's nuts to the fire and tell them to do something.
Wouldn't mind flattening Raqqa into absolute dust on our way out. Are there even innocent people left there anymore?
I do, however, want to immediately halt all immigration from those countries into the United States.
Then pull our troops off the ground and increase air attacks and hold Saudi Arabia's nuts to the fire and tell them to do something.
Wouldn't mind flattening Raqqa into absolute dust on our way out. Are there even innocent people left there anymore?
This post was edited on 7/26/16 at 11:34 am
Posted on 7/26/16 at 11:34 am to Darth_Vader
I don't think the reaction to failed government action is always more government action. We're stirring up a hornets nest in many regards (we, as in coalition) and believing more action is required may be regressive.
Might be better off with an old school cold war type CIA covert action than military actions.
Might be better off with an old school cold war type CIA covert action than military actions.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 11:34 am to Hog on the Hill
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I strongly dislike Assad, but at this point, I'm becoming convinced that we won't be able to end the civil war without him being in power. The Syrian military just encircled the rebel-held section of Aleppo, and things look dire for the rebels in that region. If the Syrian regime captures Aleppo, the rebellion is really fricked, and there's no way Assad steps down.
Right now I think our focus has to be on destroying ISIS. Trying to prop up the rebellion has forced us to support some ready shady groups.
I've always hated the idea of backing these rebel factions that the State Dept says are "moderates" or "the good ones". Whether they're moderate or not, they likely represent a very small group that will have no ability to run or stabilize a country like a current head of state.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 11:36 am to upgrayedd
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I've always hated the idea of backing these rebel factions that the State Dept says are "moderates" or "the good ones". Whether they're moderate or not, they likely represent a very small group that will have no ability to run or stabilize a country like a current head of state.
Removing dictators from the Middle East has almost never worked out for us.
We need to let that shite go. They keep the order over there.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 11:36 am to lsu2006
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Yeah, you still didn't answer my question as to why we should deport every American muslim. Just more raw emotion and regurgitation of buzz phrases.
Tell me a way to tell which Muslims are peace loving, American Patriots and which ones are terrorists hell-bent on slaughtering infidels.
I ask because if the question is how do we stop them from killing us in our own streets, that is a problem we're going to have to either find a solution for or just accept that on any given day some Muslim will decide today is the day they're going to take out a hundred or so of us.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 11:36 am to 31TIGERS
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Not from this Catholic
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Bombs those f'n creatures into oblivion (the muslims)!!!!!!!!
how Christian of you
no, really..
Posted on 7/26/16 at 11:36 am to upgrayedd
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I've always hated the idea of backing these rebel factions that the State Dept says are "moderates" or "the good ones"
True. It seems to backfire either political or strategically.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 11:38 am to RogerTheShrubber
Maybe we can get Russia to drop a nuke on Raqqa.
That way we aren't the bad guys, Raqqa is gone, and Russia gets its jollies off about being big and tough when in reality we just got them to do our dirty work.
ETA:
Obviously with permission from all powers of the world...I'm pretty sure all Western countries and China would give it the green light.
That way we aren't the bad guys, Raqqa is gone, and Russia gets its jollies off about being big and tough when in reality we just got them to do our dirty work.
ETA:
Obviously with permission from all powers of the world...I'm pretty sure all Western countries and China would give it the green light.
This post was edited on 7/26/16 at 11:39 am
Posted on 7/26/16 at 11:38 am to TheCaterpillar
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Removing dictators from the Middle East has almost never worked out for us.
We need to let that shite go. They keep the order over there.
As much as some people don't want to admit it, there are necessary evils in this world. Assad is one of those necessary evils that we need to exist.
Posted on 7/26/16 at 11:40 am to Grim
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You really think those are the only 2 options? What's it like having the brain of a child?
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You really think those are the only 2 options? What's it like having the brain of a child?
Loving them to death sure isn't working, is it? I guess the "rehabilitated" ones released from Gitmo behaved well and didn't rejoin their groups and kill Americans, no?
What we need are bullets dipped and tainted with bacon!
Posted on 7/26/16 at 11:41 am to Darth_Vader
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just accept that on any given day some Muslim will decide today is the day they're going to take out a hundred or so of us.
I already do
Posted on 7/26/16 at 11:42 am to Spaceman Spiff
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Loving them to death sure isn't working, is it? I guess the "rehabilitated" ones released from Gitmo behaved well and didn't rejoin their groups and kill Americans, no?
What we need are bullets dipped and tainted with bacon!
Yes, our options are either the diplomacy of rainbows and hugs, or genocide
the world is black and white
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