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re: NOLA flood insurance premiums with & without elevation certificates

Posted on 5/17/16 at 7:52 am to
Posted by Kujo
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Member since Dec 2015
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Posted on 5/17/16 at 7:52 am to
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Not being a dick, but that's something you should look at prior to buying a home.


Real estate professional should walk you through this, but Caveat Emptor I guess, sucks.(would poorly rate the RE agent if it were me)
Posted by rodnreel
South La.
Member since Apr 2011
1559 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 8:10 am to
Every square foot of property is in a flood zone. Think of it as the good, the bad and ugly zones. Zones B,C or X are the good zones. Zone A--, is the bad and Zone V is the ugly and is only in coastal areas like Grand Isle. There are others but very little property falls in them.

Your flood insurance rates will depend on several factors such as what zone you fall in, when your house was built, the elevation of the house and how much coverage you want. Zones B, C or X all have a standard rate, no matter the elevation of the house. Zones A--, and V have a minimum elevation requirement and your rate will be based upon how high your structure is in relation to the requirement. If your requirement is a 10’ and you are at an 11’ you will get a +1 rating, a 12' will give you a +2 rating. If you are at a 9’ you will get a -1 rating because you are 1’ too low, an 8' will give you a -2 rating. An elevation certificate provides this information so the insurance company can give you a quote.

Houses with equal value on the same street can be in different zones and at different elevations, so their rates can be very different. The method your house was constructed "slab on grade or pillars" and add to insurance cost. As someone mentioned the flood maps are revised every 5-20 years so the zones lines can change.

In the past structures built in the A-- and V Zones prior to the mid 1970’s "prefirm" have been grandfathered in and paid a relative low rate no matter their elevation. These grandfathered houses are where much of the claims are being filed, so the government has decided they must now pay their fare share. With no elevation certificate you get a very high premium quote, hopefully an elevation certificate will help lower your premium.

It's my understanding Elevation Certificates are good forever, even if the zone or height requirement changes, as long as the premium has been paid.

If you have a mortgage and are in a B,C or X zone, flood insurance is optional. If you are in a zone A-- or V it is required. If you don't have a mortgage then no matter the flood zone, insurance is optional.
This post was edited on 5/17/16 at 10:53 am
Posted by TakeAGander
Baton Rouge
Member since Jun 2010
584 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 8:18 am to
We just bought a house in Denham Springs. We were advised to try and get grandfathered in under the existing policy or insured without a new elevation report. We had the flood elevation report done just the same. Thank God we were able to be insured without use of the report. If the insurer would have used the new report it would have cost another $1000 a year. Just FYI
Posted by HebertFest08
The Coast
Member since Aug 2008
6566 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 8:20 am to
quote:

Real estate professional should walk you through this, but Caveat Emptor I guess, sucks.(would poorly rate the RE agent if it were me)


I agree... Problem is not all of them are worth a shite and don't care about anything other than the closing.

I deal with them all the time and most don't have one fricking clue about the home other than it has updated bathrooms and the neighborhood is great. There are a select few and I mean select few that actually know what's going on.
Posted by ThePoo
Work
Member since Jan 2007
61826 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 8:39 am to
Flood insurance is set by the government


In New orleans many homes are old enough to qualify for pre-firm rates so they don't need an elevation certificate to get a policy. Sometimes an elevation certificate will help you and sometimes it won't. They EC is not exactly cheap so hopefully the previous owner or agent or even the assessor have a useable EC on file. It would suck to pay a few hundred bucks only to find out the Elevation certificate doesn't help you at all. It all depends on your base flood elevation on your particular property and how far above or below your property is built in accordance with that number. They round up btw so a +.5ft elevation gets counted as a +1ft elevation

If the home was built after the post-firm date you can't even get a flood quote without the elevation certificate
This post was edited on 5/17/16 at 8:40 am
Posted by ThePoo
Work
Member since Jan 2007
61826 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 8:44 am to
quote:

If you don't have a mortgage then no matter the flood zone, insurance is optiona
somewhat

most insurance companies in the state require you to carry flood insurance as well in order to be written through them if you are in a required flood zone

quote:

t's my understanding Elevation Certificates are good forever
not necessarily true
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
62724 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 8:45 am to
quote:

Not being a dick, but that's something you should look at prior to buying a home.



Well, we haven't bought it just yet
Posted by Buck Dancer
New Orleans
Member since Jan 2008
4867 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 9:07 am to
I am an insurance agent in the mid city area, I wouldn't stress on the price until you see it with the flood elevation. If the house is +1 or +2 over the base flood that premium will go way down.

New maps coming out end of June and most of Orleans is getting much better.

I'm in lakeview on a slab and pay $1,600 a year for 250k building / 100k contents. When the new maps come out that will go down to under $700 a year.
Posted by eitek1
Member since Jun 2011
2907 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 9:09 am to
I was going to buy in Mid-city. The guy wouldn't come down on the price at all and when I added in flood insurance it wasn't worth it. I found a house over off of Esplanade that was nicer and had a flood insurance cost of about 350 a year. The neighborhood isn't as "nice" but I have great neighbors and have had no problem after a year.

After living here a while, I'm glad we didn't buy in Mid-city. We really like it where we are.

At the end of the day it's the same as the other poster said, you can buy more house or the same house for much less money every month. For us it was the right choice.
Posted by Chad504boy
4 posts
Member since Feb 2005
179899 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 9:20 am to
quote:

Real estate professional should walk you through this


real estates professionals don't give a frick about their clients flood premiums.
Posted by Napoleon
Kenna
Member since Dec 2007
74880 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 9:22 am to
Damn $3k a year, what flood zone are you in? I thouight much of mid-city was X. X is usually less than $1000 a year.

Posted by ThePoo
Work
Member since Jan 2007
61826 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 9:24 am to
X zone is $450 a year for a Max flood policy
This post was edited on 5/17/16 at 9:25 am
Posted by Kujo
225-911-5736
Member since Dec 2015
6044 posts
Posted on 5/17/16 at 11:10 am to
quote:

Not being a dick, but that's something you should look at prior to buying a home.


Well, we haven't bought it just yet



typically the market will price that into the valuation.

similar to condos and HOAs. So it's not a deal breaker, just compare apples to apples
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
62724 posts
Posted on 5/18/16 at 6:23 am to
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what flood zone are you in? I thouight much of mid-city was X. X is usually less than $1000 a year.



It is zone X. I'm not sure why the premium is so high, but we're getting an elevation certificate today which will hopefully cut the rate by 60%.
Posted by BamaCoaster
God's Gulf
Member since Apr 2016
7390 posts
Posted on 5/18/16 at 6:42 am to
Also, and this has not been mentioned yet, you could have gotten an "excess" flood quote through a private carrier, which is why it would be so much.

Nfip caps at 250k, and rates are determined by the gov't.
Posted by lsufan112001
sportsmans paradise
Member since Oct 2006
11221 posts
Posted on 5/18/16 at 6:46 am to
Thanks so much for that info. What part of the city do you live in?
________________

Central
Posted by rodnreel
South La.
Member since Apr 2011
1559 posts
Posted on 5/18/16 at 8:04 am to
I don't think an elev. certificate will do you any good in a zone X.

One of the many purposes of an EC is to compare the required elevation level vs. the actual elevation level so you can be charged the proper premium.

For a Zone X there isn't a required elevation level.
This post was edited on 5/18/16 at 8:08 am
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
62724 posts
Posted on 5/18/16 at 8:51 am to
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Central



I work in Central City
Posted by 4cubbies
Member since Sep 2008
62724 posts
Posted on 5/18/16 at 8:53 am to
quote:

on't think an elev. certificate will do you any good in a zone X.

One of the many purposes of an EC is to compare the required elevation level vs. the actual elevation level so you can be charged the proper premium.

For a Zone X there isn't a required elevation level.




The purpose of the EC, to my knowledge, is to prove how far above or below the base flood elevation the property is. If the EC indicates that the property is an inch or 5 inches above the BFE, it would help with the premium.

Of course, I'm no expert, so I could be off here.
Posted by Cold Cous Cous
Bucktown, La.
Member since Oct 2003
15386 posts
Posted on 5/18/16 at 10:57 am to
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I'm in lakeview on a slab and pay $1,600 a year for 250k building / 100k contents. When the new maps come out that will go down to under $700 a year.

I'm in the same boat - where did you get the new number from? My insurance agent wouldn't tell me anything other than "we have to wait to hear from national."
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