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re: NOLA Crime: Senator John Kennedy is Woke
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:58 am to TheCaterpillar
Posted on 7/10/17 at 11:58 am to TheCaterpillar
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but its nearly to the point of martial law down there.
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Posted on 7/10/17 at 12:18 pm to fightin tigers
Let's try stop and frisk before we get to martial law.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 12:31 pm to TigerWise
Or at least take constitutional rights away one at a time.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 1:46 pm to TheCaterpillar
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but Stop and Frisk looking for weapons is fine by me. Just a very focused search for weapons
Searching for weapons based on articulable facts leading to a reasonable suspicion of criminal activity is the only scenario in which SCOTUS has held they're constitutional. Notwithstanding constitutional arguments against those rulings, the stats show that stop and frisk in NYC actually yielded illegal weapons less than 1% of the time and there is zero evidence indicating that stop and frisk policies are what led to the drastic reduction of crime in NYC
Posted on 7/10/17 at 2:00 pm to lsu2006
So what led to the drastic reduction in crime ?
Posted on 7/10/17 at 2:02 pm to lsu2006
I believe the crime reduction statistics in NYC was due to the police not reporting as much crime in order to look good.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 2:06 pm to TigerWise
Hard to say. But the major reduction in crime statistics began happening well before stop and frisk policies were ever implemented.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 2:10 pm to chryso
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believe the crime reduction statistics in NYC was due to the police not reporting as much crime in order to look good.
We already do that in New Orleans
Posted on 7/10/17 at 2:20 pm to lsu2006
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Hard to say. But the major reduction in crime statistics began happening well before stop and frisk policies were ever implemented.
Better yet the largest reductions happened after it was stopped.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 2:46 pm to lsu2006
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actually yielded illegal weapons less than 1% of the time
1% > 0%
Even if it didn't produce a lot of illegal handguns, surely the thought that you could be stopped and frisked has to be somewhat of a deterrent, right? You don't think that if police had the right to do this to anyone at any time that it may reduce the number of guns in busy areas like Bourbon Street?
Posted on 7/10/17 at 2:50 pm to Crusty
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1% > 0%
You're right. You're cool with forfeiture of basic civil liberties for less than 1% of these stops actually yielding anything useful? If you are, we simply won't see eye to eye on this topic. It's a moot point anyway because NOPD is too poorly funded to have officers just waiting around looking for someone "suspicious" to harass.
Posted on 7/10/17 at 2:58 pm to lsu2006
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Searching for weapons based on articulable facts leading to a reasonable suspicion of criminal activity is the only scenario in which SCOTUS has held they're constitutional. Notwithstanding constitutional arguments against those rulings, the stats show that stop and frisk in NYC actually yielded illegal weapons less than 1% of the time and there is zero evidence indicating that stop and frisk policies are what led to the drastic reduction of crime in NYC
Broken Windows isn't just about Stop and Frisk FWIW.
Its basically just over-policing smaller shite. You don't even have to arrest (I'd prefer not for non-violent crimes), but it gives them the excuse to search the person, check for warrants in the system, and write them tickets (obvi they won't pay them).
Noise violations, loitering, j-walking, etc.
I really don't like most police officers and think they are on average very "mild" people on power trips. However, something needs to be done in New Orleans right now. This whole idea actually goes against what I would want in a city, but I'm not sure there are many options to clean it up.
And as far as statistics go, this does not mean as much as you think it does:
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the stats show that stop and frisk in NYC actually yielded illegal weapons less than 1% of the time
because it was also used as a deterrent. Less people drink and drive now because they are always on the roads looking for drunk drivers.
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there is zero evidence indicating that stop and frisk policies are what led to the drastic reduction of crime in NYC
It was rising real estate prices, national unemployment getting better, a huge increase in police force numbers, and Roe v. Wade.
But we aren't getting any of those in our shitty areas of New Orleans.
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