re: Nobody wants to work anymore

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On the flip side, the older generations seem to have a problem with people simply doing their jobs and then clocking out when the clock hits 5:00.

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As an employer, I’m much more inclined to reward my employees that occasionally go above and beyond vs checking out at 5. There’s nothing wrong with that and I’m not punishing you for it, but that goes back to my original point. I’m not inclined to give you a huge raise and bonuses just because you do what’s the bare minimum.

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s an employer, I’m much more inclined to reward my employees that occasionally go above and beyond vs checking out at 5. There’s nothing wrong with that and I’m not punishing you for it, but that goes back to my original point. I’m not inclined to give you a huge raise and bonuses just because you do what’s the bare minimum.

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Please be honest here - what is the delta in pay between someone going above and beyond and someone clocking out at 5? A 3% raise instead of a 1% raise isn’t much of an enticement for instance - which is exactly why so many people are deciding to just do the minimum and enjoy their lives.

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How many Bed Bath and Beyond employees jumped out of a high rise last week? Was it a sales clerk who did it?

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No, the sales clerk slowly kills himself with fentanyl and alcohol.

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Please be honest here - what is the delta in pay between someone going above and beyond and someone clocking out at 5? A 3% raise instead of a 1% raise isn’t much of an enticement for instance - which is exactly why so many people are deciding to just do the minimum and enjoy their lives.

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I'll be honest. Someone who has been in job X for 5 years likely makes more than someone in job X for 1. But the person who has been there for 5 years likely started with a couple people who are now in job Y and job Z and making much more because they earned a promotion faster by busting arse.

We have a few folks in lower positions who have stated explicitly that they don't care to move up\take on more responsibility. They get minimal raises (certainly more than 1-3%) and their extra income comes from discretionary bonuses when they do well (which they often do because they're experienced yet still doing lower level work.)

Anecdote of course, but it's not necessarily unique to my industry.

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I never know where to fall on this issue. Young graduates are entitled shitheads but also frick most corporations who don’t really give a shite about their employees.

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This is where I’m at. Corporations don’t give career guidance anymore, a bunch of dinosaurs camping out in positions doing nothing.

The under 40 group is literally having to wait for people to die off to get a promotion.

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Again, I'm not being rude

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I’m not saying you are, but I can also tell that you aren’t in the shoes of a small business owner. He has people working for him, he filled this last guy’s spot within 24 hours. So pay isn’t precluding him from finding workers, but the supply of workers willing to do what his company does just isn’t that big. This guy also had some other things going on that were also behind his decision to quit.

On the paternity leave issue, again, a small business can only do what is practical. Small, five employee businesses in the construction industry simply can’t provide paid paternity leave. It isn’t practical nor does the law require it. So, if someone is seeking a job with that as a benefit, then they will have to go elsewhere. However, getting into a larger business that does provide paid paternity leave for a father may also require that that person have greater experience or skills than what a small business like my Dad’s would require.

Anyway, we’re getting way outside of what my original point was. My point was just that a lot of younger guys don’t really have that great of a willingness to work or work ethic. A lot of them don’t want to do physically demanding jobs even if they don’t really have the skills or education for anything else. Then they wonder why they can’t find a job.

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People have figured out that it takes a lot more effort and time to advance internally than to simply leave.

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I would piss off too many people if I translated this for the other side of the coin.

One more anecdote: I once got a shitty employee a raise with a former client because it was easier than firing him.

Yea, it's usually easier to convince an org that doesn't know you to give you more money than the one who does, if you're a certain kind of employee.

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His wife had the baby but it’s his baby too. There’s a ton of things to do when a baby is first born and it takes a week or so to get adjusted. Fathers should get 1-2 weeks to be with their child and wife

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And in this case, the guy got a week that was paid. But that’s about all a small business can practically do.

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The under 40 group is literally having to wait for people to die off to get a promotion.

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That has always been the case, but in the past there was actual job security and good raises handed out while you waited for that next job to open up.

Now you’re fired at a moments notice and the money doesn’t keep up with costs. Only choice is to leave.