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re: Noah had dinosaurs on the Ark...
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:03 am to Enadious
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:03 am to Enadious
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Did God or Satan incite David to number Israel?
As I am not an apologist, I looked this up and the idea seems to be the following
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Satan, as an enemy, suggested this census as an occasion to incite a sin, just as he also put it into the heart of Judas to betray Christ. Satan is frequently described in Scripture as doing what God merely permits to be done; and so, in this case, He permitted Satan to tempt David. Satan was the active mover, while God only withdrew His supporting grace, and the great adversary prevailed against the king.
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Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:03 am to Lonnie Utah
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Noah had dinosaurs on the Ark...
Noah he didn't.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:04 am to bayoubengals88
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The modern definition of truth as in physical historical events is just a few hundred years old.
The Bible is full of history... are you arguing none of it is physical historical events?
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:06 am to SlowFlowPro
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How does this answer my question? Fear of man or not, kangaroos would have all died out 5k years ago in the Biblical Flood. That's not enough time for them to re-evolve on an island.
They lived until abt 800 yrs old. God granted them reprieve from hunger and flatulence while on the ark. Not sure why Sally is having a hard time throwing out hypotheticals. It's all speculation anyway.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:06 am to SallysHuman
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The Bible is full of history... are you arguing none of it is physical historical events?
No, as it was written after these events occurred.
If I created a religion today, I'd reference historical events in history around the mythos.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:09 am to SlowFlowPro
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If I created a religion today, I'd reference historical events in history around the mythos.
Have at it... maybe one day we'll count our years in SlowFlowPro rather than BC/AD.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:11 am to SallysHuman
quote:Yes, and they "did" history a bit different than we do it today.
The Bible is full of history
quote:Of course not. They just don't all have to have physically happened.
are you arguing none of it is physical historical events?
OR, if they did, there's great mythologizing, exaggerating, storytelling when it comes to real events, as per the custom.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:11 am to SallysHuman
I'm not. You're missing the point.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:14 am to Lonnie Utah
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But Genesis 1:24 says all animals were created at the same time ..
If for some reason you took a creative day as the same time frame as a literal day. Which it isn't.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:15 am to Lonnie Utah
Did he have Sasquatches on there too?
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:18 am to iwyLSUiwy
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If for some reason you took a creative day as the same time frame as a literal day. Which it isn't.
In the creation narrative, each day of creation ends with 'and it was evening and it was morning, the 1st, 2nd... day.
That seems like a full day cycle.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:19 am to victoire sécurisé
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There is no evidence to support the theory of global flooding 12,000 years ago.
The Meltwater Pulse 1A says otherwise
Even dozens of ancient cultures (Sumerian, Babylonian, Hindu, Native American, etc.) tell of a great flood.
This post was edited on 7/16/25 at 9:20 am
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:21 am to SlowFlowPro
quote:This is exactly what's happening in Genesis 1-2 as well. The author chose to borrow myths that people were familiar with to merge them with his God. And the only thing that he really wished to accomplish in doing so, was convincing his people that the God of Abraham is the creator of all things (among a few other truths).
...like how the Roman strategy of empire may have influenced how Christianity was able to spread (basically co-opting the holy places of those other cultures and offering sort of a merging option at first, which would be utter heresy by the Evangelical types today).
And why wouldn't he have done this?! Of course that's what he did. But you just can't teach this stuff to anyone in the Bible Belt. That dog won't hunt.
This post was edited on 7/16/25 at 9:23 am
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:25 am to SallysHuman
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Please, do explain.
I'll explain. God/religion is nothing but words spread from person to person. Remove speech and God/religion no longer exists.
It wasn't that long ago the majority of people couldn't read and write. Those people had no God or religion until someone decided others needed it and wrote passages.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:26 am to SlowFlowPro
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No, as it was written after these events occurred. If I created a religion today, I'd reference historical events in history around the mythos
What a radical idea…
While I vehemently disagree with your value set relative to society, I begrudgingly agree with your perspective on conventional religion…
Just as unions representing wage earners, the true purpose of religion has become obsolete.
This post was edited on 7/16/25 at 9:29 am
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:27 am to Lonnie Utah
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or do we embrace the science and say the first 25 verses of Genesis 1 are metaphorical in nature and risk folks questioning the accuracy of the rest of the verses in the Bible?
This. Everything in the Bible isn’t meant to be taken literal. God didn’t create the world in 6 days
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:29 am to SlowFlowPro
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how the Roman strategy of empire may have influenced how Christianity was able to spread (basically co-opting the holy places of those other cultures and offering sort of a merging option at first, which would be utter heresy by the Evangelical types today).
Yeah. The interplay with politics is fascinating stuff.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:29 am to saintsfan1977
quote:That's a leap huh? So if you remove speech do the laws of physics no longer exists as well?
Remove speech and God/religion no longer exists.
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:29 am to saintsfan1977
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It wasn't that long ago the majority of people couldn't read and write. Those people had no God or religion until someone decided others needed it and wrote passages.
Exactly. They wrote it all down after the great flood
Posted on 7/16/25 at 9:32 am to bayoubengals88
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That's a leap huh? So if you remove speech do the laws of physics no longer exists as well?
No. Gravity exists because what goes up must come down. Give me 100% irrefutable proof that God in the Bible exists. I'm not holding my breath.
I believe something is out there. It's 100% not an omniscient, omnipotent, benevolent being. That is a fact.
We just had a thread where an elderly woman crawled for 14 hours and said God was the reason she's alive. That is Fakebook look at me BS. I'm assuming this God didn't care about the missing teen girls in the flood. Saved a woman with one foot in the grave over numerous teens with a full life ahead of them. You have to be nuts to worship a diety like that.
This post was edited on 7/16/25 at 9:38 am
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