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re: News reporting U-High kid fell overboard
Posted on 6/2/23 at 4:11 pm to TROLA
Posted on 6/2/23 at 4:11 pm to TROLA
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No drop down or skiffs launched. Or even available that I’m aware of. No visible crew on the different decks. No life rings readily available No crew getting/ throwing life vests. No one was in charge outside of the wheel house
None of that matters if he was killed by a shark within 60 seconds. Are you the families lawyer that shut down the investigation into the video and shark theory?
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Posted on 6/2/23 at 4:11 pm to jchamil
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Granted all a guess but for the seconds we see him in the water he looks disoriented (panicked?) and swims away from the boat (why?)
You get shitfaced at 18 (meaning he probably isn't exactly experienced at being shitfaced) and then jump off a boat into cold water in the middle of the night. As soon as he hit that water, it probably took a minute just to figure out wtf was happening. (if he had a minute)
This post was edited on 6/2/23 at 4:12 pm
Posted on 6/2/23 at 4:14 pm to TROLA
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a civil suit is probably coming and seems needed if some of the first hand things I heard are true.
What first hand things did you hear that warrants a civil suit in a different country?
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Safety protocols are needed for a reason. None of this will change his own culpability but that’s not the whole story. It’s not a good look when you see only one life saving device thrown into the water..
Are you familiar with the safety protocols of the ship?
'Not a good look' doesnt mean anything. What would you have liked to happen?
Posted on 6/2/23 at 4:17 pm to TROLA
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It’s not a good look when you see only one life saving device thrown into the water..
One that he swam away from??? How’s that their fault?
They stayed anchored out there looking for him until 3 am and called in search efforts.
Good luck suing in the Bahamas after signing a waiver, jumping in drunk after friends physically tried to stop him and then swimming away from the life preserver.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 4:26 pm to Deactived
And Bahamian authorities didn’t cite the boat operator for any violations and they are back operating.
The boat company is only required to comply with local laws, which they apparently did according to the Bahamas government.
The boat company is only required to comply with local laws, which they apparently did according to the Bahamas government.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 4:27 pm to LSUFAITHFUL
I feel absolutely awful for the family. But part of that feeling is wondering how I could ever accept my child's horrible death when it was 1000% his fault. As a mother, that would maybe be the hardest thing to accept.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 4:28 pm to whoa
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You can have fun without drinking
It took me over 25 years to reach this conclusion and you are correct.
Shark or no shark, my opinion is that he drifted away, got tired and drowned. I also think based on the slow motion videos there was a small shark swimming around. A small one. I am sure that there is a probability of no attack and the shark just went away. RIP kid.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 4:29 pm to Deactived
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Are you familiar with the safety protocols of the ship? 'Not a good look' doesnt mean anything. What would you have liked to happen?
That’s the problem. No one was aware
It’s a bad look bc no one was in charge on the decks and every man overboard protocol calls for as many readily available flotation devices to be dispensed
I’m not saying anybody should be making money off this but if you have 400+ 18 year olds drinking on a boat. Overboard safety should be a priority… it doesn’t seem at the moment that the crew was prepared for this possibility..
That’s all I’m getting to..
Posted on 6/2/23 at 4:52 pm to TROLA
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every man overboard protocol calls for as many readily available flotation devices to be dispensed
How many devices exactly? Citations to Bahamian regulations would be helpful. Otherwise you are just spouting BS.
Completely classless if his parents sue.
Also good luck. 50% of this board thinks he was eaten by a shark within 60 seconds so no safety protocol matters.
The rest of the board believes it was the kids fault for jumping in (which it was).
Add that he was drinking. People tried to stop him and he jumped anyway. And then video of him swimming away from the floatation device that was thrown to him.
I don’t see how you get a verdict in the Bahamas in this kids favor. They can’t sue in the US.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 4:55 pm to TROLA
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That’s the problem. No one was aware
Safety protocols and what to do when a man goes overboard is largely for the crew. You dont sit there with the guests and have a course on what to do. They dont know what to do, they arent mariners. They will just get in the way. The number one rule, which doesnt even need to be said to them, is dont jump off the boat.
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It’s a bad look bc no one was in charge on the decks and every man overboard protocol calls for as many readily available flotation devices to be dispensed
Unless you have seen some other videos, we had about a 21 second video to look at. Just from that video, you are doing an awful lot of assuming of the crew and what they did and didnt do.
In that 21 seconds, there was a lifering in the water and in a very good spot. We also have no idea how long he had been in the water. You have people in charge of the deck but you dont have them hovering over the guests. Theyre there to have fun, not be hawked over by some crewmember. Liferings are put in different areas of ships, and I would bet money you would be hard pressed to find a mob situation where you would have multiple liferings in the water within a 20 second span.
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Overboard safety should be a priority… it doesn’t seem at the moment that the crew was prepared for this possibility..
Yea jumping off the ship should be a priority that everyone should know.
This isnt your normal man overboard situation. This guy was with the group on what looks like the stern and 'willingly' jumped in. People knew he was doing it so the oh my we have to save him reaction isnt there. The initial thought isnt to alert the crew like when someone accidentally goes in.
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That’s all I’m getting to..
It seems like youre trying to put the blame on the crew here from the limited info/video we have. Man overboard situations, at night, and in the ocean on vessels of decent size are pretty much a worst case scenario. Add in like I said it not being a dire situation when he went in willingly and it gives the crew a pretty much impossible task.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 5:03 pm to TROLA
A (likely drunk) 18 year old jumped off a boat (that cannot be accessed from the water) and apparently cleared the protective catch netting (seen in video) at night (where it is almost impossible to find swimmers) in stormy conditions (lightning in video) not close to shore (albeit in a “harbor”) in an area known to have sharks, and somehow it’s the cruise company’s fault for not plucking him out?!?! I’m not saying they they did everything they should have, but you don’t just reposition a boat that big to chase a person in the water. That’s a BIG boat! Furthermore, I’m guessing Bahamanian laws and civil suit system isn’t as supercharged as the good ole USA. Downvote away, but there’s only one person that had the power to prevent this terrible tragedy. Sad situation.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 5:04 pm to LSUFAITHFUL
Classless? Seriously. As stated. Everything involving a lawsuit isn’t about money.
This was a sponsored excursion through a company (grad week) that operates or at least sells their product/service to Americans.
This was a sponsored excursion through a company (grad week) that operates or at least sells their product/service to Americans.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 5:05 pm to BadTiger
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A (likely drunk) 18 year old jumped off a boat (that cannot be accessed from the water) and apparently cleared the protective catch netting (seen in video) at night (where it is almost impossible to find swimmers) in stormy conditions (lightning in video) not close to shore (albeit in a “harbor”) in an area known to have sharks, and somehow it’s the cruise company’s fault for not plucking him out?!?
Holy run on sentence, Batman
This post was edited on 6/2/23 at 5:05 pm
Posted on 6/2/23 at 5:16 pm to TROLA
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Classless? Seriously.
Yes. If it’s not about money then I guess they’ll be suing for $1
Also, selling services to Americans while in the Bahamas for a service to be provided in the Bahamas doesn’t establish minimum contacts to be sued in the USA. But, good luck. You are clearly the lawyer trying to get this poor family to sue. Rot in hell.
I also bet that waiver he signed had a forum selection clause that is also enforceable. Sucks to be 18 and have consequences.
This post was edited on 6/2/23 at 5:19 pm
Posted on 6/2/23 at 5:17 pm to Deactived
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Unless you have seen some other videos, we had about a 21 second video to look at. Just from that video, you are doing an awful lot of assuming of the crew and what they did and didnt do.
I’ve discussed first hand with people present. It was chaotic to say the least
The stories were the same.. the crew was unprepared at the very least.
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Yea jumping off the ship should be a priority that everyone should know.
It’s not about the how…. 18 year olds drinking. shite can happen whether intentional or not.
Look I’m out after this. The young man made an irreversible mistake. That can never change. My point is and always will be that they didn’t handle the event correctly. Nothing may have changed if they had but looking to prevent something potentially worse in the future is worth considering… there’s a reason no other boats were out there
Posted on 6/2/23 at 5:22 pm to TROLA
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The stories were the same.. the crew was unprepared at the very least.
Share them.
I doubt anyone on the boat, as it was im guessing 90% 18 year olds, knows anything about what should go on in a man overboard on a ship. Oh and they were all drinking. Ill put my faith in the sober crew over drunk 18 year olds.
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My point is and always will be that they didn’t handle the event correctly.
From the guy who wasnt there and every 'story' from people from the boat has contradicted each other.
This post was edited on 6/2/23 at 5:23 pm
Posted on 6/2/23 at 5:22 pm to TROLA
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there’s a reason no other boats were out there
That would be compelling if weather had anything to do with what happened. But it doesn’t.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 5:25 pm to LSUFAITHFUL
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Also, selling services to Americans while in the Bahamas for a service to be provided in the Bahamas doesn’t establish minimum contacts to be sued in the USA. But, good luck. You are clearly the lawyer trying to get this poor family to sue. Rot in hell.
I have no idea why you think I’m. Some lawyer for anyone. I do have a personal understanding of what happened and happen to believe that companies should be held to a certain standard of safety.. They may not have saved this young man but what did occur can be a lesson in what shouldn’t.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 5:26 pm to jchamil
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Wouldn't you think at least one person on the boat would have seen or heard something had there been multiple sharks competing for him?
Who’s to say they didn’t?
From the screams, it sounds like it very possible that some may have.
Posted on 6/2/23 at 5:26 pm to LSUFAITHFUL
Hes just emotional posting. Like people earlier in the thread saying some Louisiana baws should have taken the vessel over because obviously someone has to have a 500 ton or equivalent captains license because well theyre from LA
The story cant just be that the guy made a decision by himself which resulted in the worst outcome possible.
The story cant just be that the guy made a decision by himself which resulted in the worst outcome possible.
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