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re: News reporting U-High kid fell overboard

Posted on 6/2/23 at 5:30 pm to
Posted by jchamil
Member since Nov 2009
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Posted on 6/2/23 at 5:30 pm to
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Who’s to say they didn’t?

From the screams, it sounds like it very possible that some may have.



Yeah, you're right. No way that would have come out by now that people actually witnessed him being attacked by a shark.
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
Member since Apr 2004
14707 posts
Posted on 6/2/23 at 5:32 pm to
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Share them. I doubt anyone on the boat, as it was im guessing 90% 18 year olds, knows anything about what should go on in a man overboard on a ship. Oh and they were all drinking. Ill put my faith in the sober crew over drunk 18 year olds.


Nah. You guys don’t care. Good luck circle jerking about sharks and believing Bahamian companies are all square on safety.

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The story cant just be that the guy made a decision by himself which resulted in the worst outcome possible.


That is the story and what I said when this happened. The response is the issue. It

This post was edited on 6/2/23 at 5:36 pm
Posted by LSUFAITHFUL
Member since Oct 2007
1089 posts
Posted on 6/2/23 at 5:34 pm to
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I do have a personal understanding of what happened and happen to believe that companies should be held to a certain standard of safety.. They may not have saved this young man but what did occur can be a lesson in what shouldn’t.


But in order to be sued and held accountable they have to have caused his death. You concede that nothing they did may have changed the outcome. You can’t sue people because someone did something stupid causing their own death because you want some general changes to regulations in the future.
Posted by Barrister
Member since Jul 2012
5293 posts
Posted on 6/2/23 at 5:35 pm to
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As stated. Everything involving a lawsuit isn’t about money.



Well, your above statement is wholly incorrect.....but, yes, I do not believe this to be a meritorious lawsuit and I would advise any lawyer against taking it.
Posted by LSUAngelHere1
Watson
Member since Jan 2018
10137 posts
Posted on 6/2/23 at 5:36 pm to
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Hes just emotional posting. Like people earlier in the thread saying some Louisiana baws should have taken the vessel over because obviously someone has to have a 500 ton or equivalent captains license because well theyre from LA

Not me. I knew that was a ridiculous assumption. Many of you thought it was ridiculous that so many people saw a shark in the video.
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 6/2/23 at 5:37 pm to
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Nah. You guys don’t care. Good luck circle jerking about sharks


Im genuinely asking what info you have first hand that we dont. Im not trying to pretend like some Bahamas company cant half arse everything. Its just that the 21 second video available doesnt show anything to prove that.

Im also not part of the shark circle jerk.
Posted by BigBinBR
Baton Rouge
Member since Mar 2023
10220 posts
Posted on 6/2/23 at 5:44 pm to
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But in order to be sued and held accountable they have to have caused his death. You concede that nothing they did may have changed the outcome. You can’t sue people because someone did something stupid causing their own death because you want some general changes to regulations in the future.


And you have to do it all in another countries legal system. Who knows what their liability laws are.
Posted by Swoozie
Member since Jan 2021
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Posted on 6/2/23 at 5:51 pm to
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I feel absolutely awful for the family. But part of that feeling is wondering how I could ever accept my child's horrible death when it was 1000% his fault. As a mother, that would maybe be the hardest thing to accept.

I totally agree with you and that’s been on my mind since it happened. Any one of us with teens or young adults know deep down that could have been our kid. Drunk or sober, teens feel invincible. Add in peer pressure and social media and it makes it even worse. I’m heartbroken for his family and I’m thinking about him way too much (we are a U-High family but we didn’t know him) but unless there are some major details we don’t know it’s no one else’s fault. It’s just sad and tragic.
Posted by LSUAngelHere1
Watson
Member since Jan 2018
10137 posts
Posted on 6/2/23 at 5:53 pm to
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Im also not part of the shark circle jerk.

Circle jerk or common sense?
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
Member since Apr 2004
14707 posts
Posted on 6/2/23 at 5:58 pm to
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And you have to do it all in another countries legal system. Who knows what their liability law



This was part of a package sold through the travel company that organizes the trip.

Again.., if a lawsuit is filed and I have no idea if they will. I have no idea if they should , and I believe I said was it’s possible that money doesn’t have to be their sole reason. Sometimes getting to the truth involves a lawsuit. I think it’s fair for people to know what the safety laws were and if they were followed…

On this boat were kids from at least 6 but probably more high schools in Louisiana. Maybe this will make someone to ensure these companies are playing but the rules
Posted by Swoozie
Member since Jan 2021
1353 posts
Posted on 6/2/23 at 6:04 pm to
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quote:Unless you have seen some other videos, we had about a 21 second video to look at. Just from that video, you are doing an awful lot of assuming of the crew and what they did and didnt do. I’ve discussed first hand with people present. It was chaotic to say the least The stories were the same.. the crew was unprepared at the very least. quote:Yea jumping off the ship should be a priority that everyone should know. It’s not about the how…. 18 year olds drinking. shite can happen whether intentional or not. Look I’m out after this. The young man made an irreversible mistake. That can never change. My point is and always will be that they didn’t handle the event correctly. Nothing may have changed if they had but looking to prevent something potentially worse in the future is worth considering… there’s a reason no other boats were out there

You’ve provided zero facts. We had people posting that kids were taking over the ship because people on the boat told them so. Even the people on the boat have different interpretations of what happened. People who knew him see things a little differently (let’s say more emotionally) than people who didn’t. That’s all understandable. There’s still, so far, no direct evidence that the crew was irresponsible in their response.

In regards to the weather they made a judgement call and if Cameron hadn’t jumped off the ship the weather wouldn’t have caused any significant issues. The boat stayed out in the weather because of Cameron jumping over so his actions had more of an impact on unsafe conditions for everyone else on the boat.
Posted by LSUAngelHere1
Watson
Member since Jan 2018
10137 posts
Posted on 6/2/23 at 6:05 pm to
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I totally agree with you and that’s been on my mind since it happened. Any one of us with teens or young adults know deep down that could have been our kid. Drunk or sober, teens feel invincible. Add in peer pressure and social media and it makes it even worse. I’m heartbroken for his family and I’m thinking about him way too much (we are a U-High family but we didn’t know him) but unless there are some major details we don’t know it’s no one else’s fault. It’s just sad and tragic.

Agreed. I have one who graduated the same day as Cameron. I immediately sent her the story bc she was on a boat when I heard about him. I said please don’t do anything that you know is questionable.
Posted by 427Nova
Member since Sep 2022
1722 posts
Posted on 6/2/23 at 6:15 pm to
Well, when you send a teenager to a foreign country, with booze, and on a ship, you are a brave soul. What could go wrong in a county with lax laws, you have no rights, 18 and drunk and on a ship in open water? Parents of a bunch of snot nose rich kids, who spoil them without guidance.
This post was edited on 6/2/23 at 6:53 pm
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
Member since Apr 2004
14707 posts
Posted on 6/2/23 at 6:18 pm to
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You’ve provided zero facts. We had people posting that kids were taking over the ship because people on the boat told them so


How does any reasonable person get to the BS about kids taking over the boat from what I said?

Provided zero facts is the exact reason why a lawsuit may be filed. There are no known facts other than.. he jumped. One single ring was thrown and he died. All corporate parties have buttoned up about what happened after he jumped. I find it reasonable to expect some clarity on that

My point will continue to be that people should be able to know as close as possible to what happened after he jumped from a safety recovery standpoint
This post was edited on 6/2/23 at 6:20 pm
Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 6/2/23 at 6:19 pm to
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Sometimes getting to the truth involves a lawsuit. I think it’s fair for people to know what the safety laws were and if they were followed…

On this boat were kids from at least 6 but probably more high schools in Louisiana. Maybe this will make someone to ensure these companies are playing but the rules



Just seems like you are looking for something that isnt here or you have an agenda.

You said there were 400 people on the boat. You say they cater to Americans and thats their business. Theyve done these cruises for a long time so its safe to assume they have brought out an unknown number of people. Maybe in the tens or hundreds of thousands. If these people were running a cruise that wasnt safe I am guessing we would have stories about this operation before.

There was one rule broken per the video and info we have. You have other info but arent sharing so thats all we have to go by
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
Member since Apr 2004
14707 posts
Posted on 6/2/23 at 6:22 pm to
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Parents of a bunch of snot nose rich kids, who spoil them without guidance.




Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 6/2/23 at 6:28 pm to
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Provided zero facts is the exact reason why a lawsuit may be filed. There are no known facts other than.. he jumped. One single ring was thrown and he died


Wait hold on a second. You posted all of this

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No safety briefing
No drop down or skiffs launched. Or even available that I’m aware of.
No visible crew on the different decks.
No life rings readily available
No crew getting/ throwing life vests. No one was in charge outside of the wheel house

The list goes on..


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The stories were the same.. the crew was unprepared at the very least.


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My point is and always will be that they didn’t handle the event correctly.


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there’s a reason no other boats were out there


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I do have a personal understanding of what happened


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The response is the issue.


But now you want to say there are no facts other than he jumped and one lifering was thrown? Gtfo.
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
Member since Apr 2004
14707 posts
Posted on 6/2/23 at 6:33 pm to
Good lord. Those were what I was told by the different people on the boat. Clearly I can’t claim it as actual fact but the point was that's what a potential lawsuit can establish. No parents that were with the varying groups were allowed on the boat

And I’m not one of the parents that was there
This post was edited on 6/2/23 at 6:35 pm
Posted by LSUFAITHFUL
Member since Oct 2007
1089 posts
Posted on 6/2/23 at 6:33 pm to
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Just seems like you are looking for something that isnt here or you have an agenda.


He’s just looking to blame someone other than the kid who jumped. He’s relying on panic and gossip from a bunch of other drunk kids who have expectations not routed in reality. 18 years old think that life is a movie and if there’s a man overboard companies are supposed to release the hidden ninjas that will launch 15 motorboats to find the person that jumped.

That’s not how it works. This company does excursions for Disney crusies. I’m pretty sure they have protocols that were followed.

Posted by LSU fan 246
Member since Oct 2005
90567 posts
Posted on 6/2/23 at 6:34 pm to
Good lord is right. You went from knowing a bunch of stuff we didnt know to knowing what we know. Welcome
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