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re: New Zealand bans foreigners from buying homes in the country...decent policy imo

Posted on 9/10/18 at 10:39 pm to
Posted by TROLA
BATON ROUGE
Member since Apr 2004
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Posted on 9/10/18 at 10:39 pm to
Applying standards of such a small nation with little international presence is flawed logically.. This isn’t progressive though, this is a conservative, keep things the same approach where property is valued at the local and then default government level in the realm of keeping things the same.. people are upset because foreigners buy/lease property from the government and close that off to the public use..
Posted by Golfer
Member since Nov 2005
75052 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 10:45 pm to
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You really think foreign rich people are causing housing price issues for Joe Schmo homebuyer?


They prevent upward mobility. It’s a massive issue for my clients in Miami.
Posted by TDawg1313
WA
Member since Jul 2009
12473 posts
Posted on 9/10/18 at 10:49 pm to
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You really think foreign rich people are causing housing price issues for Joe Schmo homebuyer?

Yes. Vancouver, BC has the highest real estate prices in North America due to the Chinese. They don't have the industry to support it, so all of the people who grew up there are getting run out of the area. The Chinese just let the houses sit empty a lot of times too. California got jacked up from foreign investment as well. Recently it has hit the Seattle area hard too. That's just the west coast. I'm not familiar with other parts of the country, but it wouldn't shock me if it happened elsewhere.

Most of these cities are beyond saving, but I think the large majority of Americans would support a rule like this, especially people in the hard hit areas.
This post was edited on 9/10/18 at 10:51 pm
Posted by chalmetteowl
Chalmette
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Posted on 9/11/18 at 1:40 am to
City of New Orleans needs to implement this...
Posted by Anfield Road
Home of the Blue Turf
Member since May 2012
1948 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 2:18 am to
Looks like New Zealand is getting gentrified
Posted by LSUCanFAN
In the past
Member since Jan 2009
28101 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:48 am to
Vancouver is fricked in terms of buying a house, so is toronto-my little starter home bought in 1998 for 170k just sold for 850k-Italian section of toronto it’s essentially a row house without neighbors. All because of real estate speculation fueled by Chinese money. Toronto house prices in former immigrant neighborhoods like cabbage town(Irish then Slav) are beyond the reach financially of any new Canadians let alone kids trying to buy their first house...we saved for 8 months to get down payment back in 1998-to save for a down payment now is 18 years!!!
Posted by Jackie Chan
Japan?
Member since Sep 2012
4937 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 4:58 am to
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It discourages foreign investment. If home prices are soaring build more.



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Although the ban applies to existing homes, foreign buyers can still purchase property in new block housing developments.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24460 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 7:19 am to
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Vancouver is fricked in terms of buying a house, so is toronto-my little starter home bought in 1998 for 170k just sold for 850k-Italian section of toronto it’s essentially a row house without neighbors


Again, you are acting like no locals are benefiting from this except the foreigners which is simply far from true. Learn to play the game, the cities can adjust. Locals benefit from higher prices, more home sales, higher taxes, closing costs, etc.

Like everything in life, you are much better off learning to play the game then complaining about the rules.
Posted by CoachDon
Louisville
Member since Sep 2014
12409 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 7:23 am to
I've been there twice.

Magnificent country. Esthetically gorgeous with very strong indigenous culture / traditions.

I will retire there or Toronto.
Posted by Sao
East Texas Piney Woods
Member since Jun 2009
68469 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 7:29 am to
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Isn’t New Zealand hard up for white collar and skilled workers?


Posted by TOSOV
Member since Jan 2016
8922 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 7:35 am to
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New Zealand is a little too small to adopt that policy.


There size makes them have to look at options like this.

Homelessness of naturally born citizens is being caused by this. it's a tough situation, and it's good to se a country is willing to make this kind of move. Stifle negative or positive foreign investment or do something or nothing about a homeless epidemic that has been identified as correlated to each other.

It'll be interesting and think we need to look at this as well. Especially with countries that dont allow it in return.
Posted by Teufelhunden
Galvez, LA
Member since Feb 2005
6044 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 7:37 am to
Well, I guess no more house hunters international episodes from New Zealand. Well maybe renters. "It's $25 a month over the budget!"
Posted by FootballNostradamus
Member since Nov 2009
20509 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 7:43 am to
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You really think foreign rich people are causing housing price issues for Joe Schmo homebuyer?


Lulz, small-time Louisiana mindset.
Posted by celltech1981
Member since Jul 2014
8139 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 7:44 am to
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I really have a problem with American home ownership being at such low levels among millenials and other groups, yet seeing chinese, russian, iranian tycoons coming here and gobbling up all this residential property and leaving them vacant because they are simply used as vacation homes or "income" property. California home prices would be so so so much lower if chinese cronies were banned from buying them.



Correlation doesn't always mean causation. There are a lot of other reasons (especially in CA) as to why home ownership is expensive. Cali has oppressive regulations on new construction, zoning. it's hard to build affordable housing when you have to pay a pile of fees

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I can't think of any negative ramifications of this policy,


really? globalization has improved our quality of life.
Posted by PurpleandGold Motown
Waltzing Between the Raindrops
Member since Oct 2007
24839 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 7:47 am to
Same as Thailand.

There, you can own a condo, but cannot own land. You have to setup an arrangement with a native (give them a 1% interest and pay them some money each month) in order to buy land.
Posted by pjab
Member since Mar 2016
5773 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 7:52 am to
They should give foreign investors citizenship for investing in real estate like we do
Posted by Salmon
I helped draft the email
Member since Feb 2008
86696 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 7:54 am to
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This would be such a great financial relief for many americans who no longer have to bid up their offers for housing to outcompete some foreign tycoon.


This law wouldn't change anything other than removing competition for American investors.

Posted by Koach K
Member since Nov 2016
4818 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 7:55 am to
Let them buy it at overvalued prices. It ain’t like they can take it with them.
Posted by baldona
Florida
Member since Feb 2016
24460 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 8:04 am to
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Homelessness of naturally born citizens is being caused by this.


Lol, bull freaking shite. I’m moderate but that’s such a liberal viewpoint it’s freaking laughable.

They are a small country with a landscape many foreigners want, so I understand taking measures to help locals. But going so far as to say foreign investment is making locals homeless is absurd.

Austria for example does not allow foreigners to sell within 10 years and then they have a high tax rate. Measures like this help the economy but help to prevent bubbles.

Additionally, business men are not dumb. As said, plenty of them find a local to form a company with to instead purchase the properties. There are always some sort of way around it. You can’t as a local simply cry for government help instead of deciding to play the game yourself.
Posted by SlowFlowPro
With populists, expect populism
Member since Jan 2004
481186 posts
Posted on 9/11/18 at 8:07 am to
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You really think foreign rich people are causing housing price issues for Joe Schmo homebuyer?

uh, frick yes

even places like Nola are facing significant housing price issues due to "foreign investment"
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