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re: New Yorker Article: Everyone Is Cheating Their Way Through College

Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:30 am to
Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:30 am to
More points for tests
Less points for homework

That shite was a problem when I was at LSU. People just copied homework answers then bomb the tests and pass with Bs and Cs.
Posted by DownshiftAndFloorIt
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:33 am to
Like sfp said, no class worth a damn gives credit for homework.

Homework is a "you'll do it if you know what's good for you" thing.
Posted by Mingo Was His NameO
Brooklyn
Member since Mar 2016
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:34 am to
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How do you cheat in a class with 15-30 people where the only grades are in person tests?


I took the same classes dumbass, you can’t make shite up
Posted by DemonKA3268
Parts Unknown
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:35 am to
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Because I'm a bad mother fricker



Posted by LazloHollyfeld
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:36 am to
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With all due respect, I cheated the frick my way through undergrad and I was gone by 2009.


But back in the day you had to be innovative while cheating (how M I going to get these formulas or answers into the test without getting caught) - the process taught you something.

These young bucks have AI handing them the cheat codes.
Posted by The Cow Goes Moo Moo
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Member since Nov 2012
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:37 am to
The only time I can recall really "cheating" was when I turned in my high school research paper for an assignment in a humanities class about religion.

I ended up getting a better grade too
Posted by Lonnie Utah
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Member since Jul 2012
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:39 am to
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I had to ban ChatGPT on my 12 year olds Chromebook because I caught her using it for homework.


I use Chatgtp to help my 8th grader with his homework all the time in the form of study and review questions for tests. These are from actual "chats" in the past month or so.

"Could you give me 20 8th grade math questions radicals add, subtract, multiply and divide radicals."

"for 8th grade science. make 15 study questions based on Energy and natural resources and related topics"

"Make me a 20 study quiz for 8th grade history about the Louisiana purchase and westward expansion"

Honestly, it comes up with better questions than his teachers. It also give me an idea if he's ready for his tests or not.
This post was edited on 5/7/25 at 11:41 am
Posted by Artificial Ignorance
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:40 am to
AI can be an amazing learning (not cheating) tool if done right.
Posted by OldmanBeasley
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:40 am to
Degrees are completely worthless these days. Dr. Oldmanbeasley had to work hard to get his honorary doctorate from one of the most prestigious universities in all of Laos.
Posted by AwgustaDawg
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:42 am to
Cheating and breaking laws is good training for survival in the United States. Those who do not cheat and break the law do not get ahead....some who cheat and break the law do not either but almost everyone who does get wealthy and powerful does so by cheating and breaking the law....
Posted by Bwmdx
Member since Dec 2018
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:42 am to
If everyone is cheating then no one is cheating!
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:43 am to
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Cheating and breaking laws is good training for survival in the United States


Oh yea, the US is the only place where people "cheat" to get ahead
Posted by fr33manator
Baton Rouge
Member since Oct 2010
130440 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:43 am to
What are they calling cheating?

If it's wholesale "ChatGPT write this paper for me", sure.


If it's using it to curate information as opposed to google...that's what it's for.


It takes discipline, for sure, but using AI as a tool isn't inherently bad. Depending on AI for everything will stunt your mental faculties,
Posted by Salmon
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:44 am to
I have used ChatGPT for study guides as well.

Posted by Galactic Inquisitor
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Member since Dec 2013
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:45 am to
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Like sfp said, no class worth a damn gives credit for homework.

Homework is a "you'll do it if you know what's good for you" thing.


I completely agree, but it was very common in the College of Engineering.
Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Member since Nov 2010
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:45 am to
There was always cheating, it was just how students went about it.

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Teachers have tried AI-proofing assignments, returning to Blue Books or switching to oral exams. Brian Patrick Green, a tech-ethics scholar at Santa Clara University, immediately stopped assigning essays after he tried ChatGPT for the first time. Less than three months later, teaching a course called Ethics and Artificial Intelligence, he figured a low-stakes reading reflection would be safe — surely no one would dare use ChatGPT to write something personal. But one of his students turned in a reflection with robotic language and awkward phrasing that Green knew was AI-generated. A philosophy professor across the country at the University of Arkansas at Little Rock caught students in her Ethics and Technology class using AI to respond to the prompt “Briefly introduce yourself and say what you’re hoping to get out of this class.”


I would absolutely be the a-hole that would start administering in-person tests on paper, no electronics, and failing the frick out of students I caught cheating.
Posted by LNCHBOX
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:46 am to
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but it was very common in the College of Engineering.


At LSU? Can only speak for CE and ME classes, but hw was worth maybe 5% back when I was in school.
Posted by dgnx6
Member since Feb 2006
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:46 am to
I could have told you that.


Trust the experts.



Posted by BluegrassBelle
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Member since Nov 2010
104046 posts
Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:47 am to
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What are they calling cheating?

If it's wholesale "ChatGPT write this paper for me", sure.



That's what's happening in schools/universities. You assign a 10 page paper due on X subject and they're just letting ChatGPT write it for them and "do the research".

Back in the day it was buying already written essays off websites or other students though.
This post was edited on 5/7/25 at 11:48 am
Posted by profdillweed
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Member since Apr 2025
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Posted on 5/7/25 at 11:47 am to
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What this country needs is even less people knowing how to write. People are already retarded. Now people will go K-12 through college without ever having to write a paper.


What about all the "Lawyers" that didnt even take the BAR exam during the COVID years?
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