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New study on monkeys using stone tools raises questions about evolution
Posted on 3/12/23 at 8:39 am
Posted on 3/12/23 at 8:39 am
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Monkeys in modern-day Thai forests create stone artifacts uncannily similar to those crafted by early humans — challenging the established narrative of human cultural evolution.
Basically all the published data based on the premise that these tools were created by early humans might be false.
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A new study published on Friday in Science Advances suggests the possibility that a critical hallmark of human tool use happened by accident — potentially blurring the line between tool use by early humans and our primate relatives
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The Thai monkeys produced stone artifacts “indistinguishable from what we see at the beginning of the [human] archeological record
[quote]That points to a possibility that could throw a wrench into the established narrative, Luncz said: that “all the conoidal flakes we find in the archaeological record — deemed to be intentionally made — could be unintentional byproducts.”
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Personally, I’m not a believer of macro-evolution. I do believe in micro-evolution as I see it first hand during my science work.
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Posted on 3/12/23 at 8:45 am to Northwestern tiger
How does stone tool usage by monkeys millions of years after humans prove evolution wrong? How does it throw a wrench in the theory?
Posted on 3/12/23 at 8:50 am to Northwestern tiger
It seems like Darwinian evolution has been under a lot of criticisms over the past several years. Its good because it should be challenged as much as possible.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 9:10 am to Northwestern tiger
So the monkeys are making the same tools that they made many years ago. Why haven’t they “evolved” to making better tools?
Posted on 3/12/23 at 9:20 am to Northwestern tiger
The devil planted dinosaur bones in the ground to trick us
Posted on 3/12/23 at 9:23 am to tiggerthetooth
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Its good because it should be challenged as much as possible.
Why do you say that?
Posted on 3/12/23 at 9:24 am to Northwestern tiger
Seems like I've seen this movie....
Posted on 3/12/23 at 9:24 am to Northwestern tiger
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New study on monkeys using stone tools
I mean, the demon king had his half monkey bastard children build a bridge to Shri Lanka
Posted on 3/12/23 at 9:24 am to Northwestern tiger
Monkeys are smart!
Posted on 3/12/23 at 9:25 am to Bamafig
I’m not sure what the confusion is. Many animals use tools and have for millions of years?
The biological advantage that humans have that other animals don’t and why we’ve been able to put on the veneer of civilization is we birth children with giant brains and are effectively able to protect that child while it learns everything it can in the world. Because the big brain comes at the cost off more natural instincts
The biological advantage that humans have that other animals don’t and why we’ve been able to put on the veneer of civilization is we birth children with giant brains and are effectively able to protect that child while it learns everything it can in the world. Because the big brain comes at the cost off more natural instincts
Posted on 3/12/23 at 9:26 am to Oilfieldbiology
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How does stone tool usage by monkeys millions of years after humans prove evolution wrong? How does it throw a wrench in the theory?
What not to understand?
Because these stone tools were most likely used and made by monkeys and not early humans as suggested. Many of the evolutionary evidence was based on these tools. So if these tools were not used by Humans, then it’s a false narrative.
Someone would say “hey look I found the evince of evolution because I discovered these tools that were made by early humans” while in fact they weren’t
This post was edited on 3/12/23 at 9:29 am
Posted on 3/12/23 at 9:29 am to Northwestern tiger
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evolution
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it’s a false narrative.
Yep
Posted on 3/12/23 at 9:33 am to Oilfieldbiology
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How does it throw a wrench in the theory?
This wrench is a big deal. Some might say it is a … monkey wrench.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 9:34 am to Northwestern tiger
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Because these stone tools were most likely used and made by monkeys and not early humans as suggested. Many of the evolutionary evidence was based on these tools. So if these tools were not used by Humans, then it’s a false narrative.
I feel like there is a lot of “false narrative” when it comes to “divine creation” as well.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 9:36 am to tiggerthetooth
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It seems like Darwinian evolution has been under a lot of criticisms over the past several years. Its good because it should be challenged as much as possible.
Why?
Posted on 3/12/23 at 9:38 am to Northwestern tiger
O/U 3.5 Bans and/or PMs
Posted on 3/12/23 at 9:51 am to Oilfieldbiology
I listened to a talk the other day that basically said the “Cambrian explosion” where you see all the fossils of all the new species basically show up at once is proof of an intelligent creator.
The fossil record older than this doesn’t support the transitional species that should have led to these new species or, if they are there, we haven’t found a single one after looking for 160 years.
The argument to that is “well, we have these tools so the creator of these tools were an early ancestor because the creation of the tools suggests higher level thought and reasoning”. So now we have no “transitional species” and we know that monkeys made the tools we previously credited to early humanoids.
Where does that leave us as far as evolution as a sound theory stand? Asking as a serious scientific question…
The fossil record older than this doesn’t support the transitional species that should have led to these new species or, if they are there, we haven’t found a single one after looking for 160 years.
The argument to that is “well, we have these tools so the creator of these tools were an early ancestor because the creation of the tools suggests higher level thought and reasoning”. So now we have no “transitional species” and we know that monkeys made the tools we previously credited to early humanoids.
Where does that leave us as far as evolution as a sound theory stand? Asking as a serious scientific question…
This post was edited on 3/12/23 at 9:52 am
Posted on 3/12/23 at 9:53 am to Northwestern tiger
The problem with this “monkeys use tools also” is that they never advance the tools. They’ve used the same stuff the whole time. It really proves nothing other than they can put a stick into a termite mound to eat.
Posted on 3/12/23 at 10:20 am to Oilfieldbiology
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How does stone tool usage by monkeys millions of years after humans prove evolution wrong? How does it throw a wrench in the theory?
What are you missing?
Posted on 3/12/23 at 10:28 am to VermilionTiger
Why are they still monkeys?
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