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re: New MSY in game thread
Posted on 11/5/19 at 10:10 am to SM6
Posted on 11/5/19 at 10:10 am to SM6
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Instead, our bureaucrats (NOT the airlines) chose a fourth alternative completely opposite of everything that made basically everything existing useless or obsolete.
People who continue to push this false narrative drive me crazy.
The airlines have a majority in interest (MII) clause that allows them to approve or reject any major capital project that could impact their rates and charges. Like a new parking deck, refreshed terminals, or yes, a brand new terimal. The airlines all signed off on the alternative that was ultimately selected.
That's not a "false narrative."
There were 4 proposed options that could have met approval by the airlines. Our powers that be chose the ONE that was most costly; that would make existing infrastructure useless and/or much more inconvenient for everyone; and that would require costly and time consuming additional infrastructure at additional costs that was not even planned for once the construction commenced.
That's the truth. It was absolutely the worst possible option. I won't speculate on why this was chosen (others have, and there may be credence to those theories, but at this point it doesn't matter), but the fact remains that this was a terrible choice given what was in place and what could have easily been foreseen.
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Posted on 11/5/19 at 10:19 am to LSUFanHouston
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I wonder why they decided to do it tonight... maybe they were worried about moving the planes overnight with limits on how long the pilots can work?
I don;t think they will deplane at the new terminal tonight. Likely will deplane at the old terminal and then the planes will be towed to the new gates. Same goes for a lot of the infrastructure, they can bring it over after the last planes land. Istanbul did this earlier in the year when they opened a new airport on the other side of the city and shuttered Ataturk overnight.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 10:26 am to Y.A. Tittle
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That's not a "false narrative."
There were 4 proposed options that could have met approval by the airlines. Our powers that be chose the ONE that was most costly; that would make existing infrastructure useless and/or much more inconvenient for everyone; and that would require costly and time consuming additional infrastructure at additional costs that was not even planned for once the construction commenced.
That's the truth. It was absolutely the worst possible option. I won't speculate on why this was chosen (others have, and there may be credence to those theories, but at this point it doesn't matter), but the fact remains that this was a terrible choice given what was in place and what could have easily been foreseen.
You said the bureaucrats picked it and NOT the airlines. That is incorrect. The airlines were involved in the selection of the alternative. If they weren't it never would have been approved by the airlines The airlines have to sign off on it before anything can be funded.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 10:28 am to SM6
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I don;t think they will deplane at the new terminal tonight. Likely will deplane at the old terminal and then the planes will be towed to the new gates.
That was the original plan, but MSY put out a press release yesterday saying that all flights scheduled to land at 8 pm or later, with the exception of 3 Southwest flights, will indeed deplane TONIGHT at the new terminal.
This is new information... something changed.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 10:32 am to Shoulderchoke
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Flew out of this morning. (Old) MSY was a cluster. TSA lines (even Pre) took a while.
it was really bad sunday evening too
Posted on 11/5/19 at 10:38 am to Y.A. Tittle
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There were 4 proposed options that could have met approval by the airlines. Our powers that be chose the ONE that was most costly; that would make existing infrastructure useless and/or much more inconvenient for everyone; and that would require costly and time consuming additional infrastructure at additional costs that was not even planned for once the construction commenced.
You are missing three key facts, all of which impacted the airline's decisions.
1) Building a new terminal would have resulted in the least amount of moving around / current impacts to the airlines. A piecemeal renovation would have required at least twice as long, and airlines to move around temporairly as various parts were shut down and rebuilt. The West alternative would have had the least of the three southside options, but still would have had impacts, not to mention, would have had to move fedex and other businesses.
2) While the northside was the most expensive, it is also the cheapest in terms of operational expenses, which is a huge factor for the airlines.
3) The northside alternative was able to get the largest share of federal funding, of all the alternatives.
Again, if Jindal hadn't screwed the pooch with the interstate, none of this would be a concern.
It's going to somewhat suck for 4 years and be amazing for 50 years.
If what you said was true, the airlines never would have agreed to foot the majority of funding for it.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 10:45 am to Y.A. Tittle
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Posted on 11/5/19 at 10:54 am to fightin tigers
no indoor pet relief area???
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:06 am to Bunsbert Montcroff
I fly out Thursday morning at 9:15. Got a room near the airport the night before so that I can be close and arrive with plenty of time. But I’m just wondering, how big of a shitshow should I expect?
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:09 am to ChadJones4Heisman
I imagine it will be a bit of a cluster for a few days.
Not anywhere near as bad as people on the OT desperately want it to be, but there will be confusion and lines.
Not anywhere near as bad as people on the OT desperately want it to be, but there will be confusion and lines.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:15 am to Fun Bunch
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I imagine it will be a bit of a cluster for a few days
Flying out of the old one today at 4 and in the new one tomorrow night at 8:30. Already plan to be angry.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:19 am to fightin tigers
quote:Seems dumb not to have covered drop off. so in the picture, drops offs are on the middle cement area (i.e from left-hand lanes)? What are the lanes to the right of the middle cement area for?
Departures. Drop your people off in the middle no matter who they are flying with. Notice no covered drop off, which is different.
This post was edited on 11/5/19 at 11:20 am
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:21 am to LSUFanHouston
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Again, if Jindal hadn't screwed the pooch with the interstate, none of this would be a concern.
It's going to somewhat suck for 4 years and be amazing for 50 years.
I'm not sure the traffic will be that bad. It will be blown all out of proportion, but I am not convinced it will be that bad.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:23 am to fightin tigers
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I'm not sure the traffic will be that bad. It will be blown all out of proportion, but I am not convinced it will be that bad.
I actually sort of agree. It's really not like there are tons and tons of cars going to the airport at any given moment. The existing access road is rarely that trafficky at all. That light down at the exit ramp of Loyola seems to be the only potential bottleneck.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:23 am to NOSHAU
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Seems dumb not to have covered drop off. so in the picture, drops offs are on the middle cement area (i.e from left-hand lanes)? What are the lanes to the right of the middle cement area for?
Yeah, not sure if inside is for individuals and outside lanes for bus/private. It does seem a bit odd for that not to be covered. Maybe there are some future plans for sailcloth or something.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:24 am to Y.A. Tittle
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That light down at the exit ramp of Loyola seems to be the only potential bottleneck.
It was down the other day for the open house. Can confirm, it was a clusterfrick.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:25 am to Y.A. Tittle
I come into work down Airline every morning from Destrehan.
Now I can take Airline all the way down to Elmwood and the traffic won't be as heavy around the old airport area heading to work!
Now I can take Airline all the way down to Elmwood and the traffic won't be as heavy around the old airport area heading to work!
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:27 am to JS87
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Now I can take Airline all the way down to Elmwood and the traffic won't be as heavy around the old airport area heading to work!
Will still be a decent amount of parking and such at the old terminal for a while.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:28 am to fightin tigers
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It was down the other day for the open house. Can confirm, it was a clusterfrick.
Oh, shite. I wasn't talking about it being down, as in not working, just the fact that it was there.
Posted on 11/5/19 at 11:31 am to Y.A. Tittle
Open house was the day of the power outage at the airport. Had to sit through a couple "cycles". Kenner PD wasn't doing any traffic control either though.
If I was catching a plane it would be a bit nerve wracking.
If I was catching a plane it would be a bit nerve wracking.
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