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re: New Missing 411: Sierra area Family and dog found dead on hiking trail no apparent cause

Posted on 3/3/22 at 12:26 pm to
Posted by WildManGoose
Member since Nov 2005
4568 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 12:26 pm to
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How do you know how much water two people, a baby, and a dog need under the conditions they were in (and not knowing exactly what their route was) and how full the bladder was when they began?
It doesn't matter because all of those variables you mentioned make it improbable that the adults would both reach an incapacitated stage of dehydration at the exact same time.
Posted by Yellerhammer5
Member since Oct 2012
10851 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 12:27 pm to
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This story makes absolutely no sense. It’s amazing how some people think the government would never ever lie to them


It’s a massive leap from thinking that people hiking in 105 degree heat can plausibly die from dehydration and heat stroke to assuming that the government never lies - but then, you already knew that.
Posted by AkronTiger
Rubber City
Member since May 2021
1477 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 12:29 pm to
I’ve never heard of a waterborne pathogen being so lethal so fast
Posted by lake chuck fan
westlake
Member since Aug 2011
9171 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 12:44 pm to
I can't believe I'm saying this and being "that guy"... But I watched many videos about these 411 cases and alien sightens. Some of these stories cross over, locations, times..,....
Idk... It's something that we don't understand.
Posted by winkchance
St. George, LA
Member since Jul 2016
4111 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 12:57 pm to
Odd, dogs can normally drink from any natural stream that might be harmful to adults unless there are contaminates which would show up on an autopsy.
Posted by loopback
Member since Jul 2011
4869 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 3:09 pm to
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"sudden" dehydration


Source?

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within seconds of each other?


Source?


Well lets see, dehydrated people feel queasy, ill, and seek to DRINK WATER before they up and die so either they intentionally didn't drink water while feeling like shite OR it wasn't fricking dehydration that killed them.

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within seconds of each other?


Well, if my husband died near a tree I would totally hang around and wait to die about 100 yards away while he held my still alive child, dumbass. Or if my wife died suddenly, I would totally just go sit under a tree and hold my baby until I died. Their time of death was obviously VERY close together.
Posted by Nguyener
Kame House
Member since Mar 2013
20603 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 3:14 pm to
What if the baby died and they went into shock because of it and just stated put until they also died?
Posted by loopback
Member since Jul 2011
4869 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 3:52 pm to
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stated put until they also died


dude, they were less than a mile and a half from their vehicle. They were both capable, relatively young, healthy adults. They were described as avid hikers by more than one person who knew them. The baby, due to formula, probably was far more hydrated than them. They also claim the dog died of heat-related issues. THE DOG. come on.

Shouldn't a coroner be able to tell what the time of death was? Especially if there was a drastic different in TOD? The fact that they have not released anything along those lines indicates they died very close to one another from a linear time standpoint.
Posted by SteelerBravesDawg
Member since Sep 2020
34620 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 4:03 pm to
Yeah something's rotten in Denmark w/this.
Posted by Yellerhammer5
Member since Oct 2012
10851 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 4:16 pm to
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The baby, due to formula, probably was far more hydrated than them.


Yeah, the baby definitely should have been able to crawl for help or hold out until two days later when the bodies were found.



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They also claim the dog died of heat-related issues. THE DOG. come on.


I can’t tell if you’re incredulous because you assume the dog is untethered or that dogs don’t die from heat stroke.

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Shouldn't a coroner be able to tell what the time of death was?


Not unless it was a very drastic time difference. Both bodies were also likely bloated and discolored at autopsy.
Posted by loopback
Member since Jul 2011
4869 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 4:20 pm to
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Yeah, the baby definitely should have been able to crawl for help or hold out until two days later when the bodies were found.


That was in response to the comment that perhaps the baby died first dumbass.

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I can’t tell if you’re incredulous because you assume the dog is untethered or that dogs don’t die from heat stroke.


Tethered to the hand of a dead man? the dog was found next to the husband. Don't you think that if the dog was tethered they would have mentioned the cause of death was dehydration due to being tethered ??

I can't tell if you're intentionally being dense or you're really that blindly stupid.
Posted by Yellerhammer5
Member since Oct 2012
10851 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 4:22 pm to
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I can't tell if you're intentionally being dense or you're really that blindly stupid.


Keep in mind that your theory includes a multi agency cover up and faked text messages.
Posted by loopback
Member since Jul 2011
4869 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 5:01 pm to
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faked text messages


Elaborate please?

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multi-agency cover-up


right because that has never been done before
This post was edited on 3/3/22 at 5:02 pm
Posted by Huey Lewis
BR
Member since Oct 2013
4653 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 5:07 pm to
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Two experienced hikers died of "sudden" dehydration within seconds of each other? (wife was 100yrds away from husband)

A stream was nearby. this is suspect and you know it.


They knew they were in danger. One person stays put with the baby while the other tries to find cell service.

Seems pretty clear to me
This post was edited on 3/3/22 at 5:08 pm
Posted by Jake88
Member since Apr 2005
68262 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 5:13 pm to
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They knew they were in danger. One person stays put with the baby while the other tries to find cell service.

Seems pretty clear to me
Yep. But you do realize than in the land of TD, nobody just dies...there's always a cover-up.
Posted by Yellerhammer5
Member since Oct 2012
10851 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 5:56 pm to
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Elaborate please?


Have you seen the released cell phone information?

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right because that has never been done before


What is in it for the medical examiner’s office? They don’t work for law enforcement. The entire office just decided “frick it, I’ll just risk my medical license and career to cover up some young family’s murder for someone and just hope their relatives don’t request a second autopsy”?
Posted by Zapps4Life
Houston
Member since May 2016
283 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 6:15 pm to
Please don’t call me conspiracy theorist but it seems the only logical explanation is that the water was tainted - either the water they brought or possibly a fountain they all shared
Posted by dgnx6
Baton Rouge
Member since Feb 2006
68628 posts
Posted on 3/3/22 at 6:37 pm to
It does seem strange. The range of time for dehydration could be vastly diff.

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