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re: New Infrastructure Spending Plan likely means a NOLA -Baton Rouge passenger rail link
Posted on 4/5/21 at 3:42 am to member12
Posted on 4/5/21 at 3:42 am to member12
There is nothing financially, economically, or environmentally smart about blowing tax payer dollars on any kind of passenger rail service between Baton Rouge and New Orleans.
Only profiteers from government spending and naive train nerds want this.
Only profiteers from government spending and naive train nerds want this.
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Posted on 4/5/21 at 4:20 am to rocket31
quote:Why didn't half the country want it when Trump tried to do it?
improving our transportation infrastructure should be applauded
Posted on 4/5/21 at 4:25 am to saint tiger225
Because it didn't come with all the bloated green new deal bullshite.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 12:41 pm to member12
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Serious question. Have you spent any time in a any metro area with a commuter rail?
Yes and I never said commuter trains in major metros like Chicago or NY aren’t sensible. I’m talking about lines from Dallas to Chicago, BR to NOLA, or Miami to Orlando.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 1:58 pm to fightin tigers
I spent some more time quickly reading through the HBTB report you linked. Here are some notes from their Feb 2014 report I thought were important.
Start up costs pegged at 262 million, Fed contribution 80%.
Max speed 79 mph( in the 40s in urban areas)
Trip time, 1 hour 35 minutes one way.
Two morning trips planned and two afternoon trips planned. A total of four trips. Two from BR to NO and two from NO to BR.
Stops- BR on 14th Street and Government, BR Essen at tracks south of OLOL RMC, Gonzales, LaPlace, Louis Armstrong Airport, Zephyr Stadium and Union Pacific Terminal near the Superdome.
Predicted ridership year one (I didn’t see how this was determined) 210,400 riders.
78.7 miles of track
Estimated fee 10 dollars per trip. 20 dollars round trip.
Each train will have three cars that hold 240 passengers each. They estimate each car will be 60% full. That equates to 432 riders per train. Obviously weekends wouldn’t have as many riders unless there was a special event.
Amtrak would operate.
Rough budget:
Operating expenses per year (not in first cost) $8,890,000,00.
Estimated revenues 210,00 (their figure) times ten dollars or $2,100,000 and a $6,789,000 per year deficit. Expenses include $1,600,000 for leading locomotives and equipment from Amtrak, $1,360,000 for administration, 170,000 for police and security and 150,000 for insurance.
Again I read through it quickly and there was plenty of details as to what RR tracks had to be upgraded, crossings that had to be upgraded, potential financing and how where tax dollars might come from; however, I did not find how they determined that in year one there would be 210,400 riders. If it’s there I missed it and of course it’s very important.
But consider this, if their number is correct they are only taking 432 commuters off the highway to BR and to NO.
There is also information about a plan that would start with more trips per day initially and leave a 15.6 million dollar a year deficit.
Ridership would go up under this plan. It was skated to begin in 2013 so the report was generated in 2010. Phase 2 of this plan would begin in 2018 and more trips would be added and the ticket price would go up to $11.50 and then phase 3 would start in 2023 with even more trips and a ticket price at $13.00.
As you can see this plan is outdated. This plan is not the same as the plan being promoted, but they are both covered in the same link.
Start up costs pegged at 262 million, Fed contribution 80%.
Max speed 79 mph( in the 40s in urban areas)
Trip time, 1 hour 35 minutes one way.
Two morning trips planned and two afternoon trips planned. A total of four trips. Two from BR to NO and two from NO to BR.
Stops- BR on 14th Street and Government, BR Essen at tracks south of OLOL RMC, Gonzales, LaPlace, Louis Armstrong Airport, Zephyr Stadium and Union Pacific Terminal near the Superdome.
Predicted ridership year one (I didn’t see how this was determined) 210,400 riders.
78.7 miles of track
Estimated fee 10 dollars per trip. 20 dollars round trip.
Each train will have three cars that hold 240 passengers each. They estimate each car will be 60% full. That equates to 432 riders per train. Obviously weekends wouldn’t have as many riders unless there was a special event.
Amtrak would operate.
Rough budget:
Operating expenses per year (not in first cost) $8,890,000,00.
Estimated revenues 210,00 (their figure) times ten dollars or $2,100,000 and a $6,789,000 per year deficit. Expenses include $1,600,000 for leading locomotives and equipment from Amtrak, $1,360,000 for administration, 170,000 for police and security and 150,000 for insurance.
Again I read through it quickly and there was plenty of details as to what RR tracks had to be upgraded, crossings that had to be upgraded, potential financing and how where tax dollars might come from; however, I did not find how they determined that in year one there would be 210,400 riders. If it’s there I missed it and of course it’s very important.
But consider this, if their number is correct they are only taking 432 commuters off the highway to BR and to NO.
There is also information about a plan that would start with more trips per day initially and leave a 15.6 million dollar a year deficit.
Ridership would go up under this plan. It was skated to begin in 2013 so the report was generated in 2010. Phase 2 of this plan would begin in 2018 and more trips would be added and the ticket price would go up to $11.50 and then phase 3 would start in 2023 with even more trips and a ticket price at $13.00.
As you can see this plan is outdated. This plan is not the same as the plan being promoted, but they are both covered in the same link.
This post was edited on 4/5/21 at 3:38 pm
Posted on 4/5/21 at 2:03 pm to doubleb
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however, I did not find how they determined that in year one there would be 210,400 riders. If it’s there I missed it and of course it’s very important.
I could never find this either. A few pages back someone linked an Advocate article that, I believe, came to this number. So maybe that is the number.
To me operating an intermediate service from the CBD to MSY has a lot more potential than this study leads on and could likely lead to more revenue.
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This plan is not the same as the plan being promoted, but they are both covered in the same link.
This is the basis for the plan they hope will come once the upgrades are made.
This post was edited on 4/5/21 at 2:04 pm
Posted on 4/5/21 at 2:55 pm to fightin tigers
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I could never find this either. A few pages back someone linked an Advocate article that, I believe, came to this number. So maybe that is the number.
It’s extremely important for any report to “prove” their number of riders by showing how they got to it. I understand you can’t prove it in the strict sense of the word but you can’t just pull it out of thin air either.
Apparently the plan is over ten years old. The numbers are old. The cost has gone up, and potential riders could have been “lost”. But it is something to discuss.
And yes, a commuter train from the CBD in NO to Louis Armstrong and back has potential if tourism rebounds.
This post was edited on 4/5/21 at 2:57 pm
Posted on 4/5/21 at 2:57 pm to tankyank13
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Because it didn't come with all the bloated green new deal bullshite.
The infrastructure plan is a watered down green deal with payouts to political supporters.
Public transport doesn't work in LA for the most part and will not work BR to NOLA. As the novelty wears off, ridership will drop to nothing.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 2:58 pm to Winston Cup
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why are we building railroads is this the 1800s
Yeah, cause no one in BR would take a taxi to the closest rail station, ride the train to the Superdome stop to see a Saints game then ride it back to BR.
No one. That’s a bad idea.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 2:59 pm to doubleb
quote:
Apparently the plan is over ten years old. The numbers are old. The cost has gone up, and potential riders could have been “lost”.
Sounds like we need another study...
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But it is something to discuss.
I like discussing it. This has been one of the most enjoyable OT thread for me in a while.
I am still a skeptic on the ability to ever make this thing work, especially with La's track record. Just think it does provide a viable option, but a large hurdle is community mentality towards making this work.
This post was edited on 4/5/21 at 3:00 pm
Posted on 4/5/21 at 3:55 pm to carhartt
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Yeah, cause no one in BR would take a taxi to the closest rail station, ride the train to the Superdome stop to see a Saints game then ride it back to BR.
No one. That’s a bad idea.
If the game kicked off at Noon he could do it. If it kicked off at a later time, he could not get a train ride home.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 3:57 pm to fightin tigers
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I am still a skeptic on the ability to ever make this thing work, especially with La's track record. Just think it does provide a viable option, but a large hurdle is community mentality towards making this work.
I’m skeptical because the people hiring HNTB have an interest in making sure the train becomes a reality
They were the same people who orchestrated the train down Nicholson Drive to Downtown.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 4:06 pm to carhartt
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Yeah, cause no one in BR would take a taxi to the closest rail station, ride the train to the Superdome stop to see a Saints game then ride it back to BR.
Sanctioning a multi-million dollar project on something that may get some serious usage from 8-10 Sundays a year....that’s sound thinking there.
Posted on 4/5/21 at 4:10 pm to carhartt
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Yeah, cause no one in BR would take a taxi to the closest rail station, ride the train to the Superdome stop to see a Saints game then ride it back to BR.
No one. That’s a bad idea.
What will the train do the other 6 days dipshit?
4 hours on a train plus a game is a long fricking day
Posted on 4/5/21 at 9:42 pm to gthog61
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4 hours on a train plus a game is a long fricking day
Not to mention the time from house to station
Posted on 4/5/21 at 11:38 pm to VolsOut4Harambe
This might be the only thing the Dems want that I can get behind.
Do yourself a favor. Go walk any mile of track between NOLA and BR. Then tell me you would trust your life to that.
Do yourself a favor. Go walk any mile of track between NOLA and BR. Then tell me you would trust your life to that.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 12:08 am to doubleb
Per WAFB:
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If approved, the first phase of the plan would be completed around 2035.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 12:29 am to WestSideTiger
So before the I10 expansion...
Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:10 am to member12
Will fail as too many people love their cars in South Louisiana. The only time this will be used is for LSU or Saints game when people do not want to pay or deal with the parking.
Posted on 4/6/21 at 6:22 am to carhartt
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Yeah, cause no one in BR would take a taxi to the closest rail station, ride the train to the Superdome stop to see a Saints game then ride it back to BR.
No one. That’s a bad idea.
Yeah, you’re right. That’s money well spent for the 20 people who may actually do that.
You have a bright future as a federal employee.
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