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re: New diabetes medications prove the OT wrong, obesity is not always a choice
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:54 am to Klingler7
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:54 am to Klingler7
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Eating ice cream every night or potato chips will keep you heavy even if you take Ozempic.
This is the kind of thinking being created by these drugs and the discussion around them.
Its clouding the issue of how weight changes.
Of course you would stay heavy if you continued to consume the same amount of calories with the same activity level.
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Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:55 am to Buckeye06
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Oh and I can't imagine that these new medications are trying to sell drugs and make money
a. The drugs aren't new. Using them for weight loss is new.
b. They are going to be regulated to hell, as stated earlier. If they are available for weight loss in a year, I imagine the price will be substantially less.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:56 am to SlowFlowPro
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This really doesn't have much to do with taking medicine that helps combat pathological behaviors. That does involve personal responsibility.
Well, when 95% of the people taking it are using it merely as an appetite suppression drug and our medical establishment says their success is proof that the obesity epidemic doesn't have anything to do with willpower
I'd disagree
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:57 am to Cheese Grits
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Since the 1980's we seem to have a massive increase in sugar and salt. I can no longer eat at fast food joints as the salt and sugar overload
Our food options here in America suck, true. But you just need to buy healthy from the store and cook at home.
I also think zero sugar drinks with aspartame are screwing up people's bodies. You still get insulin spikes from it. I think monk fruit and sucrose are safe in that area but you have to search for it. Hell, we all need to really stop drinking soft drinks altogether.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:58 am to Pettifogger
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Well, when 95% of the people taking it are using it merely as an appetite suppression drug
It's more than just an appetite suppression. It actively works to re-wire the brain to less pathological instructions, among other positive effects.
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and our medical establishment says their success is proof that the obesity epidemic doesn't have anything to do with willpower
And here come the straw man arguments.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:58 am to JohnnyKilroy
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Whatever helps yall fat pieces of shite get thru the drive thru line.
FIFY
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:59 am to Oates Mustache
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I also think zero sugar drinks with aspartame are screwing up people's bodies. You still get insulin spikes from it. I think monk fruit and sucrose are safe in that area but you have to search for it. Hell, we all need to really stop drinking soft drinks altogether.
Soft drink and snack culture is really bad.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:59 am to Klingler7
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Eating ice cream every night or potato chips will keep you heavy even if you take Ozempic.
Which is why it’s fortunate that most people stop having these craving altogether on these drugs.
I will never downplay the benefits of a healthy diet and exercise, but people who refuse to believe new research and discoveries bc they believe the science on weight is settled are blissfully ignorant. There’s still much we don’t know about how the body works, malfunctions, heals, etc.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 9:59 am to Jake88
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Funny thing, people probably think I'm taking these meds.
Shame
This post was edited on 9/7/23 at 10:00 am
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:02 am to WeeWee
I guess their point is “if this was 100% a choice then they would still choose to eat even in these drugs”
but don’t the drugs kinda make you feel like shite?
but don’t the drugs kinda make you feel like shite?
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:03 am to SlowFlowPro
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And here come the straw man arguments.
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Ozempic and similar drugs are transforming the world’s understanding of obesity. It isn’t so much about willpower: It’s about biology.
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Ozempic and similar drugs are transforming the world’s understanding of obesity. It isn’t so much about willpower: It’s about biology.
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The new medicines have put some long-held assumptions about weight and health on the chopping block. “What these drugs have proven is that patients are right: It’s not their fault,” said Dr. Louis Aronne, an obesity treatment specialist and professor of metabolic research at Weill Cornell Medical College.
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Obesity causes overeating, rather than the other way around, Kaplan said.
Ah yes the straw man argument I lifted directly from the WSJ article that is the focal point of the thread
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:04 am to WeeWee
I'm losing weight. For the most part, it's a choice; however, our past does have an effect as well. I was trained to finish my plate no matter what, and other really bad habits, that helped lead me to being overweight once I stopped playing sports/got older. I truly do believe it also led to me never feeling full. I could eat two dominoes xl pizzas and still not truly feel full. Again, I am not making excuses, and have been hurting the gym and walking while eating healthy to drop 15 pounds so far, but it fricking blows to constantly feel hungry as hell.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:04 am to go ta hell ole miss
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You’ve obviously never been around a serious alcoholic or drug addict. The brain absolutely decides what a person puts in their mouth/body.
You're making my point for me. People are fat because they're addicted to food.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:05 am to Proximo
quote:who really is an athlete post 25?
You’re a lazy frick nonathlete
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:05 am to Pettifogger
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Ah yes the straw man argument I lifted directly from the WSJ article that is the focal point of the thread
You said:
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doesn't have anything to do with willpower
Nothing you posted said it doesn't have anything to do with willpower.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:05 am to BluegrassBelle
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I’d be genuinely curious about the changes in food we consume from the 70s to now as well. As in, hidden sugars and other chemicals in processed food.
The food I consumed in the 1970's and the food I consume today are pretty much the same. Ice cream is out and a pizza is a once every six months treat. I was into tofu (home made) and avocados long before they were mainstream. I have not had salt in my house since the 70's and I only consume the same sugars your great grandparents did like locally sourced honey and local sorghum.
I have however been an avid food label reader during this time and can tell you the salt and sugar have gone through the roof since the 70's. A basic can of chicken noodle soup (which they claim as 3 servings, who eats 1/3 of a can of soup) and you have already gone over your sodium for the day. Check the processed foods in the supermarket and try to find a product without "added" sugar. Some of the worst offenders are perceived as healthy like Kashi.
My observations ...
Gardening is healthier than a gym (supposedly hardwired in us)
Face to face communication beats social media 100 to 1
Amazon delivering to us has made us lazy
Doordash delivering to us has made us lazy
Grow your food and prepare it yourself
My old man died 2 weeks short of his 100 birthday and was mobile and mentally alert till maybe the last month of his life. He was old world Sicilian and everything revolved around food, family, and friends. Never saw him in a gym my entire life and for a guy that went through 2 World Wars, Spanish Flu, Great Depression, Dust Bowl and all the other hardships of that era he was a survivor, not a victim and always about his surroundings, not how much money he could make.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:07 am to WeeWee
Although a lot of people are fat due to poor choices and lifestyle, there is more scientific evidence for a person being “born” with a propensity to be fat than a person being born with a propensity to be gay.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:07 am to CarRamrod
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who really is an athlete post 25?
Middle age starts around 32 - 34. After that odds drop fast (like women putting off kids past 32) as our bodies are still wired for the thousands of years we have existed.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:07 am to SlowFlowPro
The title of the article is
And one of the quotes is a researcher broadly stating "the patients are right, it isn't their fault"
I know you want to nuance us backwards rubes to death for whatever reason, but I don't know how you can characterize the OP article as anything but deflecting blame from obesity to biology and greatly downplaying any role of willpower, discipline, etc.
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Ozempic Settles the Obesity Debate: It’s Biology Over Willpower
And one of the quotes is a researcher broadly stating "the patients are right, it isn't their fault"
I know you want to nuance us backwards rubes to death for whatever reason, but I don't know how you can characterize the OP article as anything but deflecting blame from obesity to biology and greatly downplaying any role of willpower, discipline, etc.
Posted on 9/7/23 at 10:09 am to Jcorye1
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I was trained to finish my plate no matter what
The mantra of Catholics before Vatican II
I feel you my brother!
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