re: New diabetes medications prove the OT wrong, obesity is not always a choice

People today think in terms of living with an overabundance of food. The tendency to overeat and store fat was an evolutionary advantage for 99% of our existence as a species. If we went back to famine conditions, “food addicts” would be dancing on the graves of us skinnies. It’s hard to undo evolution in one generation. I have sympathy for people who are fat. If the meds help, good for them. But - we don’t know the long-term adverse effects.

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everything you listed is working on phycological and lifestyle changes...not basic biology. it does not make his previous comment false. Failure to achieve goals with these in place is not a biological failure, it is a failure of drive and will.

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he wont understand that. dude is dumb as frick for being a doctor or driven by emotion....not sure which one yet.

he certainly is not good at research...that i can 100% say.

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Who cares. Assuming the drugs don’t have bad side effects, the use of them is a very positive thing.

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this is where i am with it

people like the person you quoted will say "word is" the medication burns muscle at same rate as fat but that is false as the medication doesnt burn either. it simply blunts all hunger signals and dumb fatties choose to continue to make bad choices and eat very low calories, not prioritize protein and not lift weights so they burn muscle at a high rate.

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Who cares. Assuming the drugs don’t have bad side effects, the use of them is a very positive thing.

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I don't think anyone in this thread is really arguing otherwise. We are just saying that it's bullshite that a person could not accomplish the same results with willpower. The drugs stop people from eating as much as they previously were, anyone could do that if they just....stopped eating so much

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Some fatties are definitely fat because of their choices but others are not.

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Where were these afflicted fatties in the 50s?

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Ignorant, not dumb. And they’re ignorant at least partially because their doctors won’t tell them the truth.

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man i used to feel like that, but with all the good shite on the internet...no excuse. i mean every influencer just about is atleast saying...priortize protein and lift weights.

and yea doctors dont tell truth because at the end of the day, they are running a business. cant piss off the customers


and again this medicine is awesome and the ones that come off the original glp1 research will change how we treat obesity to an extent. but the economics of it mean it overall will not change it.

now we will see a lot less fat upper middle class women

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Calorie restriction => decreased metabolism.

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If you have a sedentary lifestyle.

That is the problem with most all of these studies, is they suppose a sedentary lifestyle.

Eat less, move more

You have to burn calories.

Exercise creates more lean muscle, which always increases metabolism by it's very nature.

combine that with a lower caloric intake, and what we have is a machine that can not fail to lose weight. 100% of the time, every time.

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Literally this is not how the medication works

At all

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I stated earlier. All Ozempic does is makes you feel full and curbs appetite.

So, in his world this should NOT cause any weight loss.

Because:

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Calorie restriction => decreased metabolism.

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which means nobody on Ozempic should be losing weight

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Where were these afflicted fatties in the 50s?

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Assuming the drugs don’t have bad side effects, the use of them is a very positive thing.

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first off, nobody is arguing that. They are arguing against the OP's absurd notion that some people are biologically unable to lose weight, even if they diet and exercise.