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New conspiracy theory. Was grunge put together the same as boy bands in the 90's?

Posted on 9/26/21 at 12:26 am
Posted by James11111
Walnut Creek
Member since Jul 2020
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 12:26 am
New Kids/NSYNC/Back Street Boys

Stone Temple Pilots/Pearl Jam/Nirvana

Maybe that's why Kurt offed himself. He was part of a contrived boy band.
Posted by Saint Alfonzo
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 12:27 am to
Yeah, that's a lot of revisionist bullshite.
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 12:29 am to
It’s not entirely inaccurate, especially for “post-grunge” bands (Candlebox, Collective Soul, Bush, Creed, etc.)

I forget who it was, but one band admitted they never wore flannel until Nirvana hit big and all of a sudden, they were told to make their image more “Seattle.”

There are more stories out there like that.
This post was edited on 9/26/21 at 12:30 am
Posted by JonTigerFan11
Member since May 2016
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 12:34 am to
Layne Staley wasn’t in a boy band
Posted by The Fishin Magician
Louisiana
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 12:37 am to
I love a good conspiracy but this seems like a reach.
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 12:38 am to
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Layne Staley wasn’t in a boy band


No, but Alice In Chains was once a hair metal band (called “Alice ‘n Chains”) before it switched genres to grunge.

And the Pearl Jam precursor band, Mother Love Bone, was also much more of a hair metal band than a grunge band.
This post was edited on 9/26/21 at 12:40 am
Posted by PNW_TigerSaint
Member since Oct 2016
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 12:44 am to
quote:

Maybe that's why Kurt offed himself.


Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
8077 posts
Posted on 9/26/21 at 12:45 am to
Truth be told, it wasn’t Nirvana hitting big in 1991 that caused everything, it was Soundgarden getting signed to a major label in 1989 that got bands like Alice N Chains and Mother Love Bone to switch their sound from glam metal to grunge.
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 12:50 am to
If you want to consider Red Hot Chili Peppers "Grunge" they were kicking it way back in the early 80's. But that's sort of a weird conversation, whether RHCP is lumped in with the grunge side of things.


**Blood Sugar time frame, specifically, for anyone not quick enough to come up with that assumption on their own. Ya know, sorta like the subject matter indicates, when grunge first came together in the 90s.
This post was edited on 9/26/21 at 11:59 am
Posted by James11111
Walnut Creek
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 12:53 am to
Red hot chili Pepper is is not at all related to grunge or this conversation. I’m not sure what you are even talking about.
Posted by TexasTiger1185
New Orleans
Member since Sep 2011
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 12:54 am to
Soundgarden was very much hair metal/glam on the first record too. They don’t sound anything like their later stuff.
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 12:56 am to
“Grunge” became a catch-all term for music with heavy metal riffing but with a punk aesthetic (the heavier Soundgarden variety and more punk variety of Nirvana, and the spectrum in between) with introspective lyrics.

Some of the songs on Blood Sugar Sex Magic, most notably Under the Bridge, are “grunge-y” so it’s not any wonder how RHCP got lumped in with the Seattle scene, even though they’re from LA.
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 1:00 am to
Lots of people in this thread be like this when it comes to the “authenticity” of grunge:

Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 1:07 am to
RHCP are punk funk
never thought of them as grunge at all
funny if you listen to Led Zep’s The Crunge you hear where RHCP came from

grunge was just garage punk band rock on major record labels, guitar/bass/drums
no keyboards or very little production effects, no shouting lyrics ike punk music except early nirvana of course
Posted by BabyTac
Austin, TX
Member since Jun 2008
12171 posts
Posted on 9/26/21 at 1:09 am to
Pretty sure every mainstream younger band was produced in a factory. They don’t just ‘make it’. That’s not how it works.
Posted by UndercoverBryologist
Member since Nov 2020
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 1:11 am to
I was referring specifically to RHCP’s sound on Blood Sugar Sex Magic (which was actually released on the same day as Nirvana’s Nevermind and Soundgarden’s Badmotorgfinger).

You’re right in that they’re predominantly funk metal throughout their career, but the singles Under the Bridge and Breaking The Girl have stylistic overlap with grunge...hence them getting lumped in with the Seattle scene at the same time it was breaking.
Posted by mikelbr
Baton Rouge
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 1:14 am to
quote:

I forget who it was, but one band admitted they never wore flannel until Nirvana hit big and all of a sudden, they were told to make their image more “Seattle.”


Wait. Do you think Black Sabbath really worshipped the devil or even funnier Led Zeppelin and Kiss?

Do you think 80s Hair Bands all liked dressing like women and wearing make-up?

Everything is an act.
Posted by supatigah
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 1:16 am to
I can see that

grunge is weird in that it was such a big thing, but it really wasnt a thing at all

just packaging of post punk garage rock bands from the PNW in a massive PR campaign

I always laugh when grohl talks about his time in nirvana as “disco drumming as loud as I can play” because its true
Posted by davyjones
NELA
Member since Feb 2019
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 1:16 am to
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Red hot chili Pepper is is not at all related to grunge or this conversation. I’m not sure what you are even talking about.

Meh. Grunge is similar to the terms "conservative" or "liberal". Everyone has a different definition and idea of it, and each person thinks everyone else should be using their definition and idea. Go figure.
Posted by Pechon
unperson
Member since Oct 2011
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Posted on 9/26/21 at 1:25 am to
frick it. Weather or not they were back when I was a teenager and still have my Pearl Jam and Alice in Chains CD somewhere in my house it's the music I grew up with. Sue me.

Besides, PR manufactured Pearl Jam is certainly better than today's weepy vagina, ivory tower preaching, hypocritical, and Tom Ricketts shilling Edward Jerome Vedder and Pearl Jam.

Fun fact folks, Eddie uses his mom's maiden name as his last name.
This post was edited on 9/26/21 at 1:27 am
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