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Posted on 10/10/24 at 12:02 am to danilo
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Being college football back to what it used to be: leather helmets and no forward pass
pipe down, Les
Posted on 10/10/24 at 1:25 am to doubleb
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Wrong the worst thing was when the schools sold out to tv and the almighty dollar.
That started the era of big business, it lengthened games, and it destroyed traditions that had survived decades.
Yeah, the colleges themselves acting like businesses is what kicked off this whole path. Conference re-alliances, weekday games, etc... all to enhance revenue.
Over the years it became very, very, clear that they viewed what happened on the field was not a game played by amateurs, but a "product" that they needed to sell at the maximum possible dollar amount to the highest bidder.
By selling a "product" and not just letting us watch an amateur game, this became very clearly a business and once that happens it's only a natural extension it's very hard to avoid considering players as de-facto employees of the university.
The colleges could have stopped this by reigning in their own capilalistic tendensies years ago.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 5:56 am to BRIllini07
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The colleges could have stopped this by reigning in their own capilalistic tendensies years ago.
Isn’t it ironic how universities are now dependent on revenue from football, when the majority of the faculty used to hate football?
I had several professors that hated football, but would comment on how it pays the bills.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 6:42 am to Jcorye1
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have been watching less and less every week. Nobody cares about AAA baseball, and the NCAA is spending tons of money to get there.
Key difference though… nobody cares about AAA baseball because they’re not trying to win, they exist to develop players for the major leagues. Colleges are trying to win.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 6:53 am to TygerLyfe
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What would happen if the fans went on strike?
They'd put cardboard cutouts in the stands just like during COVID
Advertisers would get tired of paying for imaginary fans pretty quickly. In the power struggle currently going on over college football, the fans are Poland.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 7:07 am to 777Tiger
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pipe down, Les
Posted on 10/10/24 at 7:47 am to dallastigers
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Usually part of labor agreements and/or arbitration with unions.
They are unnecessarily restricting earnings based on an arbitrary age limit which is really an effort to use colleges as a development league. NFL needs to create its own minor league.
That arbitrary age limit is part of the agreement that has been negotiated with the players’ union.
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The judge like others is already overreaching by creating a de facto minor league with NCAA college sports based on a law that allowed the behavior for a century. What’s another?
What law are you referencing?
Posted on 10/10/24 at 8:00 am to armytiger96
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Lost in all of this pay the player BS is that most people fill the stadiums and watch the games on TV to root for letters on the helmet not the ones on the back of the jersey!
This is true to a point, but ignores the fact that good teams generate more revenue.
I’m an LSU grad, so sure - I’ll always root for LSU. But it’s crazy to act like players aren’t a key piece of the revenue. LSU football doesn’t generate $100+ million in revenue if they’re a shitty G5 team. There’s a reason the SEC has a $300 million TV contract while Conference USA has an $8 million contract. It’s because SEC teams are better, and better teams get more eyeballs.
The programs with the best performance generate the most revenue. The programs with the best players have the best performance. So while individual players may not influence most viewers’ decisions to watch a game, the aggregate performance of those players absolutely does impact viewership and therefore revenue.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 8:16 am to loogaroo
All the football and basketball athletes who don't want to "play school" anymore should just find investors willing to pony up so they can play in some sort of minor league until draft eligible. If the universities are treating you so horrible right now, then just leave. Don't attend LSU, Alabama, Ohio State, Kentucky, etc. Don't worry about school. Find your own avenue to the NFL and NBA. Knock yourself out.
This post was edited on 10/10/24 at 8:17 am
Posted on 10/10/24 at 8:19 am to LordSaintly
D3 does not give athletic scholarships. After an athlete "signs" they are eligible for grants, academic scholarships, etc - but no athletic scholarships.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 8:20 am to BlackAdam
Honestly, probably about $350
Posted on 10/10/24 at 8:31 am to ragincajun03
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All the football and basketball athletes who don't want to "play school" anymore should just find investors willing to pony up so they can play in some sort of minor league until draft eligible. If the universities are treating you so horrible right now, then just leave. Don't attend LSU, Alabama, Ohio State, Kentucky, etc. Don't worry about school. Find your own avenue to the NFL and NBA. Knock yourself out.
You have your head in the sand. The schools are making more and more money the way things are now. Do you believe they want to give it up? Do you believe the coaches want to give up those huge contracts? Do you think the athletic departments want to cut the number of employees? And what about the non revenue sports? Do they want to give up the million dollar contracts? Their big payrolls?
Posted on 10/10/24 at 9:00 am to lostinbr
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This is true to a point, but ignores the fact that good teams generate more revenue.
Of course they do that's not my point. The good college teams fill 100,000 seat stadiums because of the loyalty to the school and the team compete against similar schools not because the fans want to watch certain "super star" players compete.
In my opinion if private investors formed a minor league football league that included all of the four and five star recruits each year. College football would still generate larger TV audiences and sell more tickets than the private minor league teams. This is why private equity is trying to partner with big bran colleges instead of forming their own "super league."
Look at baseball where each year LSU baseball would typically have an avg attendance that is 40% higher than the highest AAA team.
Army/navy still sells out NFL stadiums because fans want to watch the schools compete not the future super stars.
This post was edited on 10/10/24 at 9:01 am
Posted on 10/10/24 at 9:11 am to loogaroo
If athletes want to treat this as a business then let’s treat it as a business.
Make them sign a non compete for a 1yr period
If they’re trained by the University and leave to go elsewhere, they have to pay back a predetermined amount or their NIL they received from the collective to reimburse the school for that training
The cost of tuition, housing, etc. will be deducted from any amounts they earned using the school’s branding/licensing or as a representative of the school
Seems pretty simple to me.
Make them sign a non compete for a 1yr period
If they’re trained by the University and leave to go elsewhere, they have to pay back a predetermined amount or their NIL they received from the collective to reimburse the school for that training
The cost of tuition, housing, etc. will be deducted from any amounts they earned using the school’s branding/licensing or as a representative of the school
Seems pretty simple to me.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 9:20 am to doubleb
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You have your head in the sand. The schools are making more and more money the way things are now. Do you believe they want to give it up? Do you believe the coaches want to give up those huge contracts? Do you think the athletic departments want to cut the number of employees? And what about the non revenue sports? Do they want to give up the million dollar contracts? Their big payrolls?
What I said is what I would love to see happen. But the big schools would have to be willing to put their collective feet down on the issue. I by no means think it would ever happen, though.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 9:26 am to armytiger96
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Look at baseball where each year LSU baseball would typically have an avg attendance that is 40% higher than the highest AAA team. Army/navy still sells out NFL stadiums because fans want to watch the schools compete not the future super stars.
Would they sell out NFL stadiums with Division III talent after playing Amherst and Middlebury?
We already know LSU can’t fill the Box when they’re even .500 in the SEC… they need to be awesome to fill it
Posted on 10/10/24 at 9:37 am to HempHead
I love what Auburn was and not what it has become. It used to be a small town with a big school with 'amateur' athletes. Now, it's a big town with a mega school and paid athletes. It's a shadow of what it was.
I really like UNA and Samford. Both are good schools that make the occasional run in a variety of sports. Solid alumni base.
I really like UNA and Samford. Both are good schools that make the occasional run in a variety of sports. Solid alumni base.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 9:48 am to armytiger96
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Of course they do that's not my point. The good college teams fill 100,000 seat stadiums because of the loyalty to the school and the team compete against similar schools not because the fans want to watch certain "super star" players compete.
This mindset is exactly what I’m trying to address. The idea does that players have value does not require people to spend money to watch specific players. The highest-paid position on average in the NFL is left tackle. I can assure you it’s not because fans are lining up to watch a superstar left tackle.
Revenue comes with winning. This is especially true when talking about TV revenue, where national audiences aren’t going to tune in to watch shitty teams. Winning comes with having good players.
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In my opinion if private investors formed a minor league football league that included all of the four and five star recruits each year. College football would still generate larger TV audiences and sell more tickets than the private minor league teams.
I don’t disagree with that. But the best college football teams would still generate way more revenue than the worst teams.
Here’s a hypothetical:
The pre-expansion SEC had 14 teams. The Sun Belt also has 14 teams. Let’s say you swapped all of the football rosters. All of the SEC players went to the Sun Belt and all of the Sun Belt players went to the SEC. What do you think would happen to revenue?
The immediate impact wouldn’t be much. Both conferences would be locked into TV contracts. Tiger Stadium would still hold 102k while Cajun Field holds 41k. But what about over the long term?
Eventually, the SEC TV contract would lose a ton of value and the Sun Belt contract would explode. Eventually, SEC stadiums would lose attendance while Sun Belt stadiums expand. SEC programs would miss out on a lot of bowl/CFP revenues, which would now go to Sun Belt programs.
When the dust settles, I think SEC programs would still be more valuable than those Dun Bent programs are today. There will always be a lot of residual value for the athletics programs of big land grant schools, but you wouldn’t have 100k+ in the seats.
That’s the players’ value - the difference between the current revenues and the residual revenues if all of those players went elsewhere. It’s not about specific super star players, it’s about the aggregate impact of having better rosters.
Posted on 10/10/24 at 12:58 pm to lostinbr
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I don’t disagree with that. But the best college football teams would still generate way more revenue than the worst teams.
Once again of course they would. I haven't indicated that all college programs were equal or would generate the same amount of interest. My point is IF they formed a NFL minor league the and best college football programs were made up of two and three star talent. Theybwould generate more excitement, TV viewership, and revenue over a NFL minor league that absorbs all of the four and five star talent. The fans are loyal to a competitive brand not necessarily the level of talent.
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