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re: NASA takes itself AND Boeing to the Woodshed

Posted on 2/20/26 at 10:40 pm to
Posted by Everyday Is Saturday
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Posted on 2/20/26 at 10:40 pm to
Analyze the reward systems (incentives, promotion, recognition, rewards, reputation) and you will likely find much of explanation for human behaviors.

Follow the money and you will likely find much of the context for same human behaviors.
Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Posted on 2/20/26 at 10:52 pm to
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I'm not familiar with the intricacies of this- but I certainly hope that's not the case. But it could be, I suppose, with NASA mission drift.


The letter said there were issues that went beyond NASA’s complete understanding.

He later wrote about them not having the systems knowledge and development insight to confidently certify.

Basically they were taking Boeing - with all their management and quality issues over last 10-15 years - at their word.

NASA is going to have to start hiring the smart people again.
This post was edited on 2/20/26 at 10:53 pm
Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 2/20/26 at 11:00 pm to
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NASA is going to have to start hiring the smart people again.


Amen to that!

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He later wrote about them not having the systems knowledge and development insight to confidently certify. Basically they were taking Boeing - with all their management and quality issues over last 10-15 years - at their word.


This part, from the 311 page report which I've yet to link, seemed to be due to subcontractor issues. Which confuses me... how a subcontractor has, I guess, "privacy rights" in a governmental contract.

Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 2/20/26 at 11:32 pm to
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how a subcontractor has, I guess, "privacy rights" in a governmental contract.


Contractors and their subs can use proprietary materials, etc in their design. NASA will respect that and not disclose it publicly.

Issacman's letter was good. Very good. But at some point, he's gonna have to confront DEI within NASA.

Posted by LSUFanHouston
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Posted on 2/20/26 at 11:36 pm to
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But at some point, he's gonna have to confront DEI within NASA.


Best way to do that is to just replace them. Hire better people.

You don’t have to go on a rant about DEI. Just upgrade your team.
Posted by SallysHuman
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Posted on 2/20/26 at 11:41 pm to
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Contractors and their subs can use proprietary materials, etc in their design. NASA will respect that and not disclose it publicly.


That ^^
plus.. well, no down buttons, but..
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But at some point, he's gonna have to confront DEI within NASA.


NASA can't necessarily control the, eh, "equity pledges" of its contractors, no?
Posted by AlwysATgr
Member since Apr 2008
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Posted on 2/21/26 at 1:07 am to
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NASA can't necessarily control the, eh, "equity pledges" of its contractors, no?


IDK if there's an easy way out or a clear path forward. Most of those contractors are also eaten up with DEI. Yes, NASA could do that, but who would be left to submit design proposals to NASA?
Posted by YatInTheHat
Member since Apr 2017
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Posted on 2/21/26 at 1:51 am to
I hear y'all but you lost me with all this space lingo somewhere on page 1, but do ya'll think they fricked?
Posted by Strannix
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Member since Dec 2012
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Posted on 2/21/26 at 3:11 am to
Bo(DEI)ng
Posted by Sweep Da Leg
Member since Sep 2013
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Posted on 2/21/26 at 9:06 am to
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Perhaps.. I think I read it more that political/corporate expediency rated higher than stringency and safety. Maybe that's DEI, maybe that's aversion to Musk, maybe it's a sunk cost fallacy.


DEI is included in that
Posted by NYNolaguy1
Member since May 2011
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Posted on 2/21/26 at 12:57 pm to
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Solid statement, and interesting timing considering Artemis II launch is right around the corner though. I like that he seems to want to put some energy back into NASA because I think they've been set on a slow, lackadaisical cruise control for a couple decades now.


It's almost like someone realized that if NASA doesn't get their stuff in line they're going to get lapped by other countries and or SpaceX/etc. Also it should be painfully obvious the whole starliner incident was a gift to Boeing considering someone actively pushed along a product that should never have been greenlit.

NASA is now just a contracting agency outsourcing everything and blowing through taxpayer dollars to favored defense contractors. IMHO SLS should never have been allowed to move forward...
Posted by forkedintheroad
Member since Feb 2025
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Posted on 2/21/26 at 1:11 pm to
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Space is…hard


Space is easy. It's literally nothing.

Gravity, on the other hand, is a bitch.
Posted by soccerfüt
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Member since May 2013
74870 posts
Posted on 2/21/26 at 1:15 pm to
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Space is fake and gay.
You’re precisely describing your transy S.O.
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