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re: My little ones were sitting on the sofa with me while I was watching the draft
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:48 am to Napoleon
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:48 am to Napoleon
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The Book says Man shall not lay with man. I mean it's right there in print..
ESPN the magazine said that Jeff Franceour was "The next big thing", but we baseball fans know how that worked out. I mean, it was right there in print. Just because the bible says something doesn't mean it's fact.
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Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:48 am to Mo Jeaux
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You said it should not be any different, and yet it most certainly is. I have no problem telling a kid that sometimes, some people are like this, that they love each other, etc., but I also think it's quite stupid to try and convince someone that it is exactly like a heterosexual relationship, when it most certainly isn't.
Still, nothing PC about what I said. I'm not dancing around some line. You can tell your kid that they are "gay" but that probably won't mean anything to them. You are over-complicating things where they don't need to be. You are also trying to say that a relationship is the same thing as a kiss. How hard is it to say that person A is kissing person B because he likes him in a romantic sense? The gender does not matter. If you want to talk to your kid about your beliefs on if that is right, that is a whole different discussion. When I read the OP, it just asked how to explain the act.
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Because clearly, clearly, that is the exact same thing. At least you have no fear in practicing making analogies. That's a good thing. Maybe you'll be good at them one day.
You are the one that brought up biology and history where it isn't relevant at all. Analogies aren't supposed to be exactly alike. I was simply showing that millions of years of biology is not relevant in explaining why a man is kissing another man.
This post was edited on 5/12/14 at 11:49 am
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:48 am to Salmon
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but yes, that is my opinion based on my observations of the majority of Christians that I know
I can agree with you, as many do act contrary to their teachings.
There are just as many Christian sinners adn non-Christian. They (we) are all just as wicked.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:48 am to Antonio Moss
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Again with the sweeping generalizations.
do I really have to put "majority" and "my observations" and whatnot in every comment?
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:49 am to CAT
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One of the main things we try as parents to convey is not to judge.
This sounds great in our politically correct environment but I'm not sure that's the best thing to be teaching children. It's going to really come down to how you approach the term "judge."
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:50 am to USAF Hart
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ESPN the magazine said that Jeff Franceour was "The next big thing", but we baseball fans know how that worked out. I mean, it was right there in print. Just because the bible says something doesn't mean it's fact.
@ comparing The Bible to ESPN The Magazine.Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:51 am to Salmon
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do I really have to put "majority" and "my observations" and whatnot in every comment?
You're missing the point
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:51 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
they were eating cake...not kissing. kids love cake
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:52 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
When my young daughters saw a lesbian character on an episode of Buffy the Vampire Slayer kiss her girlfriend and then asked about it I just said, "Some girls like girls, some boys like boys. Kinda like how your mom likes tomatoes and I don't. Neither one of us is wrong, we just like different things."
The kid's response was: "That's weird, but OK."
The kid's response was: "That's weird, but OK."
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:53 am to Antonio Moss
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You're missing the point
no, I get your point
just because you oppose something, doesn't mean you hate the act or person
I get and agree with that
however, IMO, a lot of Christians not only oppose the act, but they also hate the act and the person committing the act
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:53 am to Green Chili Tiger
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Kinda like how your mom likes tomatoes and I don't. Neither one of us is wrong,
incorrect. your wife is certainly wrong
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:54 am to Moustache
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You should learn more about Christianity before attempting to discredit it.
Christ said he came to fulfill the law, not abolish it. Many things in the Old Testament were commanded to separate God's people and atone for sin.
The New Testament still commands against homosexuality.
So all but one levitical law was abolished?
And the New Testament??????
Because I have never, ever ever ever ever seen this quoted as being the scripture against gays.
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For this reason [idolatry] God gave them up to passions of dishonor; for even their females exchanged the natural use for that which is contrary to nature, and likewise also the males, having left the natural use of the female, were inflamed by their lust for one another, males with males, committing what is shameful, and receiving in themselves the recompense which was fitting for their error. Romans 1:26
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"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind" Corithians 6:9
So if those are the two parts of the New Testament that mention it's "wrong to be gay" then why is it every time a christian mentions it's wrong in the bible they bring up the Leviticus line.
Then. of course, if you ask "Hey how come we didn't stone David Vitter for sleeping with that whore" then they reply "Oh we don't follow the laws of the old testament, those were made for the Jews"
O' RLY???
Then where does the vitrol towards the gays come from?
Because the average man would not get the context of the two (and only two) mentions of gayness in the New testament.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:55 am to Salmon
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owever, IMO, a lot of Christians not only oppose the act, but they also hate the act and the person committing the act
Perhaps you feel that way because the Christians who do take a hateful point of view are often the loudest. Idiots usually are attention whores.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:55 am to Salmon
quote:i need some Bible Belt in my life after reading all of this
Salmon
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:55 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
Please fix your thread title. It is cut off
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:56 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
I would have jsut told him that that cake must have been fricking tasty
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:56 am to SUB
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Still, nothing PC about what I said. I'm not dancing around some line. You can tell your kid that they are "gay" but that probably won't mean anything to them. You are over-complicating things where they don't need to be. You are also trying to say that a relationship is the same thing as a kiss. How hard is it to say that person A is kissing person B because he likes him in a romantic sense? The gender does not matter. If you want to talk to your kid about your beliefs on if that is right, that is a whole different discussion. When I read the OP, it just asked how to explain the act.
Good point. You're right.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:56 am to USAF Hart
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ESPN the magazine said that Jeff Franceour was "The next big thing", but we baseball fans know how that worked out. I mean, it was right there in print. Just because the bible says something doesn't mean it's fact.
Me thinks you didn't comprehend or read my post, and that hurts, since I was so supportive of your side in the "kissing kids" thread.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:56 am to Mo Jeaux
quote:I didn't say you hate them, I asked if you have a problem with them (which you clearly don't), and I asked if it was "stupid PC speak", in your opinion, to say that there is no difference between inter- and intraracial couples. You didn't answer this question until this post, which is kind of crucial to helping me understand your point of view and why you consider it stupid to say that homo- and heterosexual couples are the same.
Not sure how pointing out that some interracial couples may face social hate lead you to believe that I may hate them.
quote:Please don't question my reading comprehension, considering you have been quite vague in your position.
Reading comprehension problems, perhaps?
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:57 am to Salmon
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no, I get your point
just because you oppose something, doesn't mean you hate the act or person
I get and agree with that
however, IMO, a lot of Christians not only oppose the act, but they also hate the act and the person committing the act
You didn't get the point. Obviously not condoning an action doesn't equal "hate." We both agreed on that.
But to suggest that as truth - even as you admit that it isn't true - because of anecdotal evidence and sweeping generalizations - cheapens the discussion and attempts to marginalize legitimate opposition. That may not be a huge deal as it concerns homosexuality but it is an enormous deal as it concerns other aspects of American society. These poor discussion techniques ultimately cause major problems down the line.
That's why its a big deal.
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