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re: My little ones were sitting on the sofa with me while I was watching the draft
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:30 am to Salmon
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:30 am to Salmon
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and what about the ones that do have kids that don't teach their kids to hate people for being different?
Three's a big difference between teaching your kids that a particular behavior is wrong and teaching them to hate those who practice that behavior.
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Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:32 am to TROLA
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I found out for the first time my 8 year old was under the impression that the term "gay" was a bad word.. I quickly corrected him and said they love each other and gay is the term used when two men or women love each other like mom and dad.
What happens in 20 years when they decide the term "gay" is hate speech?
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:33 am to Salmon
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they absolutely hate and/or judge the crap out of gays
That's a broad brush.
If they hate gays then they must hate adulterers and women that give birth out of wedlock.
Those folks should take a look at who Jesus hung around with.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:33 am to Antonio Moss
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The idea that disagreeing with someone's actions equates to hate is beyond preposterous.
I agree with that
but like I said, I know many Christians, and their actions speak louder than their words most of the time
You might be different, and if so, good for you, I can only speak on the observations that I have witnessed in my life
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:37 am to Darth_Vader
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What happens in 20 years when they decide the term "gay" is hate speech?
I don't concern myself with what words will be offensive in 20 years
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:37 am to Salmon
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and what about the ones that do have kids that don't teach their kids to hate people for being different?
Teaching my kids about the Lord and what is a sin, is not teaching hate. I am not teaching my kids to hate or discriminate against people, as their sins are no worse than our own.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:37 am to Salmon
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The idea that disagreeing with someone's actions equates to hate is beyond preposterous.
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I agree with that
but like I said, I know many Christians, and their actions speak louder than their words most of the time
So you simply perpetuate the fallacy?
Awesome
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:38 am to CAT
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Bingo. Have boys 8 and 12. The 12 year old gets it and knows its wrong although he is to love them as a child of God. The 8 year old is at that stage he doesn't want to see or hear stuff like that, hetero or homo.
to the PC intellects without kids posting in this thread.
I love the circle this gets into..
The Book says Man shall not lay with man. I mean it's right there in print..
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You shall not lie with a male as one lies with a female; it is an abomination. Leviticus 18:22
Then a little later it gets more hardore.
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If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltiness is upon them. Leviticus 20:13
What is funny about this, is that this is the section that this "abomination" comes from. It is here that we are told it is wrong and immoral.
Yet. ......
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‘For everyone who curses his father or his mother shall surely be put to death. He has cursed his father or his mother. His blood shall be upon him Leviticus 20:9
Then that same book goes on to say that Adultry is death, tattoos equal death, talking back to your parents equal death.
Oh but we are not to follow the Old Testament? Right???
So then, why do the people who oppose this social viewpoint use it to prop up their argument?
I mean, it makes no sense at all unless the plan is just to shape the religion to force made up values on people.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:40 am to Antonio Moss
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So you simply perpetuate the fallacy?
:sigh:
I'm saying that the Christians are lying when they say they do not hate them, just disagree with the actions
at least from my observations, this is usually the case
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:40 am to Salmon
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look, I've been around enough religious parents/people to know that they absolutely hate and/or judge the crap out of gays
they might say that they do not judge them because that is God's job or whatever, but that is just them doing good Christian talk
So you believe 100% of Christians judge and hate gays? wow, that's a ridiculous statement. That is an ignorant summation of a group of people. That's almost as dumb as me saying that, "I've been around enough gays/LGBTSQFAAABDKALDR people to know that they absolutely are promiscuous and spread STI's and AIDS to one another."
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:41 am to Korkstand
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to the religious intellects who feel as though they are the ultimate judge of right and wrong.
So loving everybody as a child of God is being judge of right or wrong? Did you copy and paste that from your anti religious playbook?
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he is to love them as a child of God
One of the main things we try as parents to convey is not to judge. Whether that's people who are gay or those shoplifting. We all fall very short.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:42 am to Moustache
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So you believe 100% of Christians judge and hate gays? wow, that's a ridiculous statement.
I apologize for the gross exaggeration
but yes, that is my opinion based on my observations of the majority of Christians that I know
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:43 am to VetteGuy
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If they hate gays then they must hate adulterers and women that give birth out of wedlock.
Those folks should take a look at who Jesus hung around with.
You are asking waaaayyyy too much out of the Convenient Christian Coalition.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:44 am to Napoleon
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Napoleon
I do find the selective focus on homosexuality in Christianity quite hypocritical.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:45 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
Just tell him the truth: women are such ho's and bitches these days that it drives some men to be with other men. There--you turned him into a misogynist AND a homophobe in one easy lesson!
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:45 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
You should have just said that they love each other and that's the end of it.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:46 am to Napoleon
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Napoleon
You should learn more about Christianity before attempting to discredit it.
Christ said he came to fulfill the law, not abolish it. Many things in the Old Testament were commanded to separate God's people and atone for sin.
The New Testament still commands against homosexuality.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:46 am to Salmon
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I'm saying that the Christians are lying when they say they do not hate them, just disagree with the actions
Again with the sweeping generalizations. There are about 230 million Christians in the U.S. You think they all hate gay people?
It's a nonsensical position to hold.
And if even it were true, which it obviously is not, you would still be promoting a fallacy with your argument. The idea that those who oppose something socially "hate" the actor or action is nothing more than illogical tool used by those promoting the action to marginalize opposition. It borders on an ad hominem attack.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:46 am to CAT
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One of the main things we try as parents to convey is not to judge.
They don't try too hard.
Posted on 5/12/14 at 11:47 am to Hammond Tiger Fan
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At 5 years old, they shouldn't even have to be exposed to those types of things.
It's just two people kissing. They weren't dry humping. If you don't make a big deal about it, neither will your kid. By ignoring the question, you basically sent the message to your kid that they were doing something wrong.
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