re: My buddy’s nephew dropped out of the army...is he a coward?

Posted by CGSC Lobotomy

Member since Sep 2011

81611 posts

Posted on 8/26/18 at 8:38 am to Bestbank Tiger

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Um....,

He's technically right. Saudis that were given safe harbor in Afghanistan and Pakistan were responsible for September 11th.

The Afghans themselves were not.

While not directly responsible, the Taliban allowed the attackers refuge.

Posted by Armymann50

Playing with my

Member since Sep 2011

21723 posts

Posted on 8/26/18 at 8:40 am to Flat Stanley

What did he think the Army does. We train to kill our enemies, not have cookies and milk with them.

quote:
biggest coward

is all I can say.

Posted by IMATIGERFAN

San Antonio, TX

Member since Apr 2007

1494 posts

Posted on 8/26/18 at 8:56 am to Flat Stanley

Did you serve? If not you have no room to call anyone else a coward.

Posted by Bestbank Tiger

Premium Member

Member since Jan 2005

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Posted on 8/26/18 at 8:56 am to CGSC Lobotomy

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While not directly responsible, the Taliban allowed the attackers refuge.

That makes the Taliban guilty. OBL had already attacked the embassies, which are legally US soil.

Posted by celltech1981

Member since Jul 2014

8139 posts

Posted on 8/26/18 at 9:09 am to Flat Stanley

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nephew dropped out of the army because he was afraid to go to war.

i would think most people are afraid whether they admit it or not. nowadays we send our young men to die when it isn't necessary.

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wondered if this was a respectable move on his part or if avoiding military service is cowardly and unpatriotic.

soldiers are paid by folks not in the military. they work for us. i would not want to go in to any of the U.S. current locations because I don't believe we are justified in being there.

Posted by ElroyJetSon

Baton Rouge

Member since Jul 2011

4018 posts

Posted on 8/26/18 at 9:20 am to Flat Stanley

I applaud him for realizing he wasn’t cut out for it before he ended up getting his friends’ killed in combat. People using words like “coward” are no doubt the biggest pussies in real life.

Posted by RedlandsTiger

Greenwell Springs, LA

Member since Jan 2008

3112 posts

Posted on 8/26/18 at 9:29 am to Flat Stanley

I didn't know you can just quit. I think he would get a dishonorable discharge (anyone know)? That stays with you the rest of your life.

Posted by crimsonsaint

Member since Nov 2009

37652 posts

Posted on 8/26/18 at 9:56 am to Flat Stanley

Probably already answered but I’m not reading through six pages. What do you mean by “dropped out”? Do you mean he told his chain of command that the army wasn’t for him. He asked to be released and they eventually released him? Or he just went awol?

Posted by CGSC Lobotomy

Member since Sep 2011

81611 posts

Posted on 8/26/18 at 10:12 am to RedlandsTiger

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I think he would get a dishonorable discharge (anyone know)?

Dishonorable Discharge (RE-4) is due to bad conduct. Failure to adapt is usually General, but under honorable conditions (RE-2).

Posted by Korin

Member since Jan 2014

37935 posts

Posted on 8/26/18 at 10:41 am to CGSC Lobotomy

Unless it's under 180 days and they get an ELS.

Posted by geaux88

Northshore, LA

Member since Oct 2003

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Posted on 8/26/18 at 10:52 am to Flat Stanley

As a veteran, who is older now, I would take the whole situation as awkward and would not comment nor interfere in any way, nor give my opinion unless the young man who quit asked me. Even then, I would not be judgmental with the kid, as he is going to have to live with his decision for the rest of his life.

When I was maybe 25 years younger, I probably would have been an a-hole about it.

Posted by tketaco

Sunnyside, Houston

Member since Jan 2010

21465 posts

Posted on 8/26/18 at 11:03 am to Flat Stanley

The Army is better off without him.

Posted by northshorebamaman

Cochise County AZ

Member since Jul 2009

37322 posts

Posted on 8/26/18 at 12:10 pm to sweetwaterbilly

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I should know this because my parents were in the military but how do you “drop out”? Go AWOL?

When you're still in initial entry training you can more or less quit and they'll just separate you for failure to adapt. They don't really advertise that for obvious reasons.

eta- entry level separation is the term I was searching for. From what I've heard it's just like you've never joined at all.

This post was edited on 8/26/18 at 12:17 pm

Posted by northshorebamaman

Cochise County AZ

Member since Jul 2009

37322 posts

Posted on 8/26/18 at 12:13 pm to TJGator1215

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United States involvement in war is a necessity for the safety and freedom.

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I find it odd that plenty of other countries prescribe to the exact opposite and they're more economically and socially free the the USA.

I hope you aren't referring to any NATO countries.

Posted by alajones

Huntsvegas

Member since Oct 2005

35673 posts

Posted on 8/26/18 at 12:13 pm to Flat Stanley

He’s not a coward just a pussy.

Literally millions of people have done what he now won’t do. Are all those people just that much better than him? I guess so.

Posted by vl100butch

Ridgeland, MS

Member since Sep 2005

36579 posts

Posted on 8/26/18 at 12:25 pm to alajones

Since we don't know all information required to make an informed comment...

If he was in Basic...FAR better then than later on, no need to waste any more money on training him...

This isn't the draft army, but a volunteer force...part of Basic these days is to weed those out who can't/don't want to fit in...

Posted by SeeeeK

some where

Member since Sep 2012

30458 posts

Posted on 8/26/18 at 12:27 pm to TrouserTrout

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so he is every bit of a quitter.

Posted by goldshellback

Up da bayou a ways...

Member since Mar 2015

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Posted on 8/26/18 at 1:06 pm to Flat Stanley

I severed 20 years... regardless if he's a coward or just a plain ol' quitter, or whatever, everyone involved is better off now that later on.

Wish more women would call it like that vice hanging on and making two (or more) lives miserable.

This post was edited on 8/26/18 at 1:07 pm