re: Murder Rate Factors - What can we learn from other countries?

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America is either going to have to go full authoritarian or at some point recognize the crippling wealth gaps, poverty, inequality, and sense of basic needs going unmet are simply reinforcing vicious cycles of crime, violence, and social unrest.

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ORRRRRR, I know this is a foreign concept for you, so stay with me…. Orrr a certain demographic in our country can stop playing the victim and start taking some sort of accountability for their actions. Everything bad that happens to them isn’t someone else’s fault

At some point, y’all are gonna have to break the cycle yourselves. Stop glorifying homes that don’t have fathers in them. Stop glorifying thug and gang culture because it’s destroying your youth. Find a religion. SOMETHING has to change for certain people or they’ll drag the whole country down with them.

I only see these conversations go one way.. someone like you comes in here and blames and deflects and tosses together some huge, beautiful word salad, yet you fail to ever put any sort of responsibility on YOUR side. Everything is always someone else’s fault.

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At some point, y’all are gonna have to break the cycle yourselves.

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We've spent trillions on poverty programs and none work.

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Looking at the wreckage since, it’s not hard to conclude that poverty won.

If we are losing the War on Poverty, it certainly isn’t for lack of effort.

In 2012, the federal government spent $668 billion to fund 126 separate anti-?poverty programs. State and local governments kicked in another $284 billion, bringing total anti-?poverty spending to nearly $1 trillion. That amounts to $20,610 for every poor person in America, or $61,830 per poor family of three.

If we want to win the War on Poverty, we should end those government policies — high taxes and regulatory excess — that inhibit growth and job creation.

Spending on the major anti-?poverty programs increased in 2013, pushing the total even higher.

Over, the last 50 years, the government spent more than $16 trillion to fight poverty.

Yet today, 15 percent of Americans still live in poverty. That’s scarcely better than the 19 percent living in poverty at the time of Johnson’s speech. Nearly 22 percent of children live in poverty today. In 1964, it was 23 percent

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Our population isn't responsible enough for the welfare state Democrats crave. It doesn't work, we are just throwing resources away.

Murder rates are high here due to a high percentage of the population with no actual social ties to keep them from becoming dysfunctional. Stop feeding the animals.

An interesting question is what are the murder rates for people from those countries that have moved to the U.S. For instance, Japan has a low murder rate, and it also has strong gun control. In the U.S. Japanese have ready access to guns, but is their murder rate significantly higher than than it is in their native country? Probably not.

It is pretty likely that people from high murder rate countries have high murder rates in the US, and conversely, those from low murder countries do not become suddenly violent in the U.S.

Everyone should read the 1954 book (still in print), "How to Lie with Statistics." To take the very heterogenous US and compare that to extremely homogenous nations like Japan is not reliable. The better question is to compare sub-groups in the US to other nations. If you do that, then it paints a picture that murder and gun availability are not strongly correlated.

Before we can comment, need to know how they're punished if crime is committed.



USA's issue is lenient judges

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Bring back public executions

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We have a very small percentage of the population committing a very LARGE percentage of these crimes. If violent offenders are dealt with quickly and efficiently a massive drop these numbers would show

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Remember that guy that got caned for chewing gum in public in Singapore?

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He got caned for vandalism.

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Let’s examine all the factors and see what the similarities and differences are!

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Thats racist. We can't do that.

Our penal system is too kind

The death penalty is not a deterrent.
As it stands, they know that they’ll likely never do more than prison time for murder.


People need to know that the penalty will be swift and physically painful. Punish someone by torture or other severe physical harm and people think twice about their actions.

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Singapore (Population: 5,638,700 - Murder Rate: 0.2 per 100,000)

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Well if someone like Brittany griner went to Singapore they would have just stoned her to death for being stoned.