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re: Multiple People Shot at Michigan High School. Student kills 3, wounds 6
Posted on 12/3/21 at 12:02 pm to whatiknowsofar
Posted on 12/3/21 at 12:02 pm to whatiknowsofar
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Involuntary manslaughter
Not the right charge at all if you actually want to go down this road.
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Posted on 12/3/21 at 12:02 pm to whatiknowsofar
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I'm responsible for a child and their actions. It's pretty straightforward
So you would then need to be 100% against trying juveniles as adults, yes?
Posted on 12/3/21 at 12:03 pm to LegendInMyMind
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I love to see the same people who preach personal responsibility and the importance of the nuclear family dismiss that sense of responsibility when it isn't convenient.
I can't decide if you're trolling or not.
It's a pretty wild assumption to assume bad parenting is always the cause.
This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 12:05 pm
Posted on 12/3/21 at 12:05 pm to LNCHBOX
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I can't decide if you're trolling or not.
Not.
But go ahead and call me a "leftist" or whatever is your go-to line. I'm not arguing this all day.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 12:07 pm to LNCHBOX
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It's a pretty wild assumption to assume bad parenting is always the cause.
In the case of the 11 year old "prolific carjacker" in Chicago that I mentioned, bad parenting is 100% the cause.
In this case, it remains to be seen. That's what the court system is for.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 12:08 pm to The Spleen
That example is distinguishable from my hypothetical in many ways. I'm not asking about insurance, I'm asking at what point is the line drawn for criminal charges for items used as weapons. What makes a gun different than, say, the butcher knife sitting on my kitchen counter? How many items in my home do I need to lock up to prevent them from being used as an instrument of murder by a child?
This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 12:09 pm
Posted on 12/3/21 at 12:08 pm to LegendInMyMind
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Not.
But go ahead and call me a "leftist" or whatever is your go-to line. I'm not arguing this all day.
I just find it odd you think you have some sort of gotcha on people that are for personal responsibility by holding them accountable for someone else's actions.
Following your logic, should the teachers of this kid not also face some charges?
Posted on 12/3/21 at 12:09 pm to LegendInMyMind
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In the case of the 11 year old "prolific carjacker" in Chicago that I mentioned, bad parenting is 100% the cause.
In this case, it remains to be seen. That's what the court system is for.
So being a "bad parent" makes you just as culpable as the actual perpetrator of a crime in your eyes? That's a ridiculously slippery slope.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 12:10 pm to LNCHBOX
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I just find it odd you think you have some sort of gotcha on people that are for personal responsibility by holding them accountable for someone else's actions.
So, you're saying that parents should have no responsibility for the actions of their children? They should have no accountability for raising them poorly, or not at all?
Posted on 12/3/21 at 12:10 pm to LNCHBOX
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So you would then need to be 100% against trying juveniles as adults, yes?
No, there is more nuance to it than what I stated. you're right in that regard. There needs to be some type of consequence for not securing your gun from your child though. Too many kids shooting each other/themselves man. It's awful.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 12:11 pm to LNCHBOX
quote:no one is saying that
you just as culpable
Posted on 12/3/21 at 12:11 pm to LNCHBOX
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So being a "bad parent" makes you just as culpable as the actual perpetrator of a crime in your eyes? That's a ridiculously slippery slope.
If your bad parenting is proven to have led directly to the crime and/or loss of life, yes, you are culpable. Just as culpable? I don't think so, but you bear some responsibility.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 12:11 pm to LegendInMyMind
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So, you're saying that parents should have no responsibility for the actions of their children?
Not in absolutes, no I'm not saying that. I am saying that when a kid decides to break some laws that I don't think the parents are equally guilty of that crime.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 12:12 pm to LegendInMyMind
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If your bad parenting is proven to have led directly to the crime and/or loss of life, yes, you are culpable. Just as culpable? I don't think so, but you bear some responsibility.
How do you prove it directly led to the crime though. SO they bought the kid a gun, if that's a legal action, how do you prove that it directly led to the crime? I again ask what charges you find appropriate for the teachers.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 12:13 pm to LNCHBOX
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I am saying that when a kid decides to break some laws that I don't think the parents are equally guilty of that crime.
Great, because I have said nowhere here that the parents are "equally guilty of that crime".
Posted on 12/3/21 at 12:13 pm to GreatLakesTiger24
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no one is saying that
Michigan charged these parents with manslaughter, so at the very least the government is accusing them of killing the kids.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 12:14 pm to LegendInMyMind
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Great, because I have said nowhere here that the parents are "equally guilty of that crime".
What crime did the parents commit?
Posted on 12/3/21 at 12:15 pm to whatiknowsofar
You should always secure your firearms - that's a basic element of owning them in the first place. There are way too many guns that are stolen and end up in the hands of criminals. I totally understand that, but what I don't understand is at what point we draw the line for parental responsibility in this instance.
If the gun was, say, in a locked room and the kid broke in to it to retrieve it, are the parents still criminally liable? Does the weapon have to be in a gun safe?
If the parents truly gave this kid the gun I can understand the charges, but I'm not so sure about the facts after reading some of the articles.
If the gun was, say, in a locked room and the kid broke in to it to retrieve it, are the parents still criminally liable? Does the weapon have to be in a gun safe?
If the parents truly gave this kid the gun I can understand the charges, but I'm not so sure about the facts after reading some of the articles.
This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 12:18 pm
Posted on 12/3/21 at 12:16 pm to LNCHBOX
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How do you prove it directly led to the crime though. SO they bought the kid a gun, if that's a legal action, how do you prove that it directly led to the crime? I again ask what charges you find appropriate for the teachers.
If you buy the kid a gun, then you assume the responsibility of training the kid and insuring that the gun is used safely. If you're not willing to assume that responsibility, don't buy the kid a gun.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 12:16 pm to LNCHBOX
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should the teachers of this kid not also face some charges?
It's hilarious watching you flail around refusing to see the forest because of all the trees. We can agree that manslaughter may not be the appropriate charge, but to refuse to see that giving a 15 year old kid access to a handgun was maybe not the wisest parenting decision given what that 15 year old did with the gun is odd. They obviously couldn't see the future and know what he was going to do with it, but any good parent should know whether their 15 year old son is capable of having access to a gun.
This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 12:17 pm
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