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re: Multiple People Shot at Michigan High School. Student kills 3, wounds 6
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:25 am to whatiknowsofar
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:25 am to whatiknowsofar
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Yeah that's not the same thing.
It is 100% the same damn thing if you're one of the people who had the 11 year old piece of shite stick a gun in your face and steal your car.
Eleven. And he is a "prolific carjacker". He stole a car from a police sergeant's wife. No adult gives a shite what he does or where he is. Carry this sentiment to its logical end and throw their asses in jail.
If you call for parent's accountability for the actions of the children they raise, then do it across the damn board. I assure you, it will help.
This post was edited on 12/3/21 at 11:38 am
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Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:28 am to LegendInMyMind
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If is 100% the same damn thing if you're one of the people who had the 11 year old piece of shite stick a gun in your face and steal your car.
Eleven. And he is a "prolific carjacker". He stole a car from a police sergeant's wife. No adult gives a shite what he does or where he is. Carry this sentiment to its logical end and throw their asses in jail.
If you call for parent's accountability for the actions of the children they raise, then do it across the damn board. I assure you, it will help.
True. I'm sick of the parents not being held accountable.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:30 am to LNCHBOX
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You lefties are fricking nuts
So you think parents shouldn't be held accountable for their children's actions?
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:31 am to whatiknowsofar
Parents being held accountable is a main talking point of the right, one that i agree with, but lnchbox can't process it lolol
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:35 am to whatiknowsofar
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So you think parents shouldn't be held accountable for their children's actions?
If you legit want to go down this road, sure. But you're a disingenuous prick, so I'm not taking you at face value.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:36 am to whatiknowsofar
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Parents being held accountable is a main talking point of the right, one that i agree with, but lnchbox can't process it lolol
Well, we see eye-to-eye on that one. I just don't want any of this selective enforcement shite. If it is good for this case of national interest, it is good for the rest that happen daily and impact the lives of innocent people.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:39 am to LegendInMyMind
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Well, we see eye-to-eye on that one.
On what planet is a manslaughter charge appropriate for the parents?
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:39 am to LNCHBOX
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On what planet is a manslaughter charge appropriate for the parents?
It is a start. Work from there.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:40 am to LegendInMyMind
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It is a start.
A start to what?
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:42 am to Clames
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That's because you are an utter moron, like every other moron that attempts to use this lame analogy. Annual registration, insurance, age restrictions, licences...all only apply to vehicles driven on public roads and not ownership
Not in Georgia. Many years ago my SIL lost her license for a DUI so she let her insurance lapse and didn't renew her registration. The car was parked on my private property. code enforcement showed up and wrote a ticket with a fine, not a warning, and said they'll be back weekly to write another one until the car gets registered again, or gone.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:43 am to deeprig9
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Not in Georgia. Many years ago my SIL lost her license for a DUI so she let her insurance lapse and didn't renew her registration. The car was parked on my private property. code enforcement showed up and wrote a ticket with a fine, not a warning, and said they'll be back weekly to write another one until the car gets registered again, or gone
Did she turn her tag in?
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:44 am to LNCHBOX
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Did she turn her tag in?
I don't remember. It was around 2006-2007ish.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:45 am to LNCHBOX
Where does this theory end? If I leave my truck keys on the kitchen table and my kid grabs them and takes it out for a joy ride and kills someone - am I liable for manslaughter in that instance as well? How about my kitchen knives? What if he takes an ax out of my garage?
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:46 am to LegendInMyMind
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It is a start. Work from there.
I can't wait for drug dealing ute's parents to be charged with negligent homicide when their kid sells to another kid who overdoses.
We can do this shite all day.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:46 am to LNCHBOX
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On what planet is a manslaughter charge appropriate for the parents?
Involuntary manslaughter because the parents had a gun available to their juvenile child to use without supervision of any kind. It's reckless and irresponsible as frick.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:50 am to whatiknowsofar
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Involuntary manslaughter because the parents had a gun available to their juvenile child to use without supervision of any kind. It's reckless and irresponsible as frick.
Please explain how this charge fits what you accuse the parents of doing... be very specific.
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Home Michigan Penal Code Chapter 750 750.321 and 750.322 - Manslaughter 750.321 and 750.322 - Manslaughter
In Michigan, the crime of manslaughter (voluntary) is similar to that of murder, however without the element of malice aforethought. While manslaughter is not justified, the circumstances under which an individual commits an intentional killing often mitigate the homicide. In order for prosecutors to prove the charge of voluntary manslaughter, he/she must prove three elements beyond a reasonable doubt. Elements of manslaughter:
That the defendant caused the death of the deceased victim, that the deceased individual died as a result of the defendant's action.
That the defendant either:
intended to kill the victim
intended to do great bodily harm to the victim, created a situation where the risk of great bodily harm or death was very high, knowing that as a result of the defendant's actions he or she knew that serious harm or death would likely result.
That the defendant caused the death of the victim without justification or lawful excuse.
Involuntary manslaughter occurs when an individual kills another person without intent, or unintentionally. The criminal penalties for involuntary manslaughter are as severe as those for voluntary manslaughter.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:57 am to cable
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If I leave my truck keys on the kitchen table and my kid grabs them and takes it out for a joy ride and kills someone - am I liable for manslaughter in that instance as well?
A family member actually lost his life this way. He was the passenger in the car of his friend, and his friend took his step-dad's keys without his permission and they were out joyriding. His friend was charged with manslaughter because he was drunk. His step dad was not, but was held civilly liable through his insurance. His insurance policy paid a massive settlement(most of which went to medical bills) and he likely has had a very difficult time getting car insurance since.
Each case has a different set of facts to weigh. In this instance, based on the kid's IG posts, the gun was a gift from his parents. Whether that is the case or not is debatable. Kids lie and exaggerate all the time. It's also been reported this kid has made threats before. Were the parents aware of these threats, and still bought him a gun, or at least made a gun easily accessible to him? I don't know that manslaughter is the appropriate charge, and I'm completely ignorant on Michigan law. Based on what we know, it does seem some charge is appropriate for them. Facts could change though, and often times do.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:58 am to LNCHBOX
I'm responsible for a child and their actions. It's pretty straightforward
Posted on 12/3/21 at 11:59 am to tonydtigr
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I can't wait for drug dealing ute's parents to be charged with negligent homicide when their kid sells to another kid who overdoses.
We can do this shite all day.
Sounds good to me. They should have had their asses at home.
I'm saying that half-facetiously, of course. I love to see the same people who preach personal responsibility and the importance of the nuclear family dismiss that sense of responsibility when it isn't convenient.
You're responsible for raising that child. You're responsible for the actions of that child. If you leave a firearm where they can get it and shoot up a school or steal multiple cars, you should bear some of that responsibility.
Manslaughter? Probably not, under the current law, but your arse needs to spend some time in jail.
Being able to wash your hands of your children's actions and face no consequences for your shite parenting isn't working. Force parents to have some skin in the game and you will see improvement in children becoming career criminals before they're even old enough to vote.
Posted on 12/3/21 at 12:01 pm to tonydtigr
quote:DEAL
I can't wait for drug dealing ute's parents to be charged with negligent homicide when their kid sells to another kid who overdoses.
We can do this shite all day.
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