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re: MPERS Refuses To Pay New BRPD Retirees Retirement Benefits

Posted on 1/12/18 at 12:08 am to
Posted by Giantkiller
the internet.
Member since Sep 2007
25844 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 12:08 am to
Obviously this will help continue BRPD's slide into NOPD-like, union trash.

But I live outside the city limits. Does this do anything to strengthen the quality of EBRSO deputies? I'm going to need them to protect me from all the criminal elements that BRPD won't be able to/won't be willing to stop.

Holy shite. Why do I still live anywhere near this dump?
Posted by Shepherd
Member since Nov 2009
3100 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 5:45 am to
No need to worry little sheep.. the sheepdog’s at BRPD will keep the wolf from your door.
Posted by El Segundo Guy
1-866-DHS-2-ICE
Member since Aug 2014
11749 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 6:58 am to
Sounds like a no brainer to me. If the statute says they're not entitled to it, why should they feel like they should be able to calculate overtime into base pay? "Because that's the way it's always been done"
Posted by randybobandy
NOLA
Member since Mar 2015
2201 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 8:05 am to
If a retirement system allowed overtime to be considered for the member's average compensation, everyone would work a shitton of overtime in order to inflate their wages and increase their retirement. The statutes would say what kinds of pay would count towards a member's average compensation. Cell phone allowances, uniform allowances, overtime, per diem, housing allowances ect..... This is nothing new, just the latest example of ignorant folks getting elected to office and not having a freakin clue how anything works. "It has always been that way" just doesn't cut it.

It sounds like Broome blaming MPERS for the BRPD not having enough officers wanting to be shot in north BR. It is certainly not the mayor throwing the BRPD under the bus and rallying [b]against[/b law enforcement....... Maybe she can refer to the wisdom of Gravy to solve this mystery.....
This post was edited on 1/12/18 at 8:11 am
Posted by Brummy
Central, LA
Member since Oct 2009
4677 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 8:42 am to
quote:

what is the funding level?

70% as of 6/30/17
Posted by Huey Lewis
BR
Member since Oct 2013
5181 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 9:09 am to
quote:

If a retirement system allowed overtime to be considered for the member's average compensation, everyone would work a shitton of overtime in order to inflate their wages and increase their retirement.



Right, and that's basically the issue with BRPD and MPERS. Here's the way I understand it (some of the fine details may be a little off, but I believe the general outline is correct):

Employees retirement is based on their highest earning 36 consecutive months. Employees can draw from the retirement system after 10 years at age 55, or after 30 years at any age. They get approximately 3% per year of service, so a 10 year retirement pays out 30% pay and a 30+ year basically pays full salary from their 3 highest earning years. So if they work 30 years and their final year was $80,000 but years 25-28 was an average of $95,000 per year, the retirement rate is based on that highest 3 year average.

Prior to 2000, BRPD's retirement system (CPERS) allowed overtime pay to factor into the 3 highest years calculation. Predictably, many employees close to retirement work as much overtime as possible to boost their retirement rate since obviously 3 years at lieutenant or captain pay + lieutenant/captain overtime rate + many hours of overtime per year = inflated retirement figure.

In 2000 BRPD swapped to the state-wide MPERS system, probably in part due to the looming insolvency of the CPERS system created by what I've described in the previous paragraph (inflated retirement figures). Employees already vested in the old CPERS system were grandfathered in under the old CPERS rules and the rest were supposed to come in under the MPERS rules.

Supposedly BRPD had a "gentlemen's agreement" - whatever the frick that's supposed to mean - with MPERS that would allow employees hired AFTER 2000 (or maybe before but not yet vested in the old system?) to have alleged "mandatory overtime" still factor into their retirement calculations. Court appearances, call-outs, being forced to stay late, working Alton Sterling protests, hurricane overtime and so on - the overtime money paid to officers for hours the officers are forced to work. That's a good thing if you ask me, but the problem becomes: who determines what is "mandatory" overtime and what isn't? MPERS has to take BRPD's accounting at face value and just accept whatever overtime-inflated retirement figures they're given? That's too susceptible to abuse and not sustainable.

So now 18 years later the shite is going to have to hit the fan. Up until now, the vast majority of retirees were grandfathered in under the old rules anyway. But pretty soon more and more retirees will be people hired under the new rules but the department has been trying to let them clandestinely operate under the old rules. Mind you, this isn't really the officers fault at all. 10% of their pay is sent to MPERS no matter what. Ultimately they've probably just gotten fricked out of 10% of their overtime pay that BRPD was sending MPERS instead of paying to the officer, knowing that the officer's MPERS account will eventually not pay the officer extra based on that overtime money per the post-2000 rules, probably because they needed to inject that extra money into the system to pay the inflated retirement figures from the old-rules people.
This post was edited on 1/12/18 at 9:14 am
Posted by brass2mouth
NOLA
Member since Jul 2007
20749 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 9:12 am to
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don't think they should have been including overtime in the retirement factor since the beginning, but it sounds like they are trying to change it back dated to 2000. Sucks if they were promised it, but did they get a contract/document actually saying that?


I doubt it, they're police officers and they typically aren't involved in salary negotiations since it's usually a tier system where everyone in that tier(rank) makes the same base pay. It would have mostly likely been a verbal or maybe even in their benefits package paperwork regarding this.
Posted by randybobandy
NOLA
Member since Mar 2015
2201 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 9:43 am to
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Ultimately they've probably just gotten fricked out of 10% of their overtime pay that BRPD was sending MPERS instead of paying to the officer


This is an administrative error due to BRPD payroll reporting overtime as regular salary. These funds can be returned to the officers who paid too much into MPERS. Now these officers will have to refile their state and federal taxes for at least the last 3 years. And the clusterfrick that is BR continues........ good job!
Posted by sjmabry
Texas
Member since Aug 2013
19084 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 9:47 am to
Louisiana
Posted by SeeeeK
some where
Member since Sep 2012
30767 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 10:22 am to
Allowing State/City workers to work 60 hours a week the last 3 years and base their pension off of those 3 years is ok, it won't mess with the Budget one bit.


Sincerely,

Illinois Democrats, State/City Workers, and their broke arse state!
Posted by DeafJam73
Baton Rouge
Member since Sep 2010
19122 posts
Posted on 1/12/18 at 10:34 am to
How can you hold officers to a higher standard if you won’t pay them? Cutting all these benefits are just going to make the good cops quit.
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