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re: motorcycles. dangerous.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 6:37 am to ItsAllGucci
Posted on 8/18/14 at 6:37 am to ItsAllGucci
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We all die eventually.
I'd rather that day be as far away as possible
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Posted on 8/18/14 at 6:37 am to TigerBait1127
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Might as well smoke cigarettes, drink every day, play russian roulette, etc.
What's life without that risk?
Life is nothing but a big risk, everyone manages it different. Motorcycles are something I love and I am willing to accept that risk to pursue that love.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 6:37 am to bgoodwin
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Experience doesn't make you more safe? Experience has taught me that dogs run into the road, wet paint is slick, cellphones are extremely dangerous, don't be the first vehicle across an intersection, truck tires de-laminate, hi viz clothing saves more lives than loud pipes, etc.
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By Age: Older motorcyclists account for more than half of all motorcyclist fatalities. NHTSA data show that in 2011, 56.0 percent of motorcyclists killed in crashes were age 40 or over, compared with 44.0 percent in 2002. The number of motorcyclists age 40 and over killed in crashes increased by 78 percent from 2002 to 2011. In contrast, fatalities among young motorcyclists have declined, relative to other age groups. In 2011 fatalities in the under 30-year-old group dropped to 26.5 percent of total motorcyclists killed in crashes from 31.9 percent in 2002. Fatalities among motorcyclists in the 30-to 39-year-old group fell to 17.9 percent in 2011 from 23.9 percent in 2002. NHTSA says that the average age of motorcycle riders killed in crashes was 42 in 2011.
This post was edited on 8/18/14 at 6:38 am
Posted on 8/18/14 at 6:43 am to KG6
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Experience doesn't mean shite in motorcycle safety. Someone runs a red light doing 30 in a when you're in a car, big arse dent in your car. Same thing and you're on a bike, you'll spend some time in the hospital (I've been there)
Experience does matter. That red light you just mentioned is a perfect example. My 30 years of riding motorcycles tells me that when sitting at a red light you don't just take off when it turns green. No, you look both way and then you go. If you're approaching a light that's already green, you still look and make sure nobody is about to run it.
This post was edited on 8/18/14 at 6:45 am
Posted on 8/18/14 at 6:44 am to TigerBait1127
Older doesn't mean "more experienced", in many cases it means "I've got money to buy an expensive toy."
I know folks who have been riding more than 20yrs...and haven't learned a thing for 19 of them.
I know folks who have been riding more than 20yrs...and haven't learned a thing for 19 of them.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 6:44 am to TigerBait1127
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By Age: Older motorcyclists account for more than half of all motorcyclist fatalities. NHTSA data show that in 2011, 56.0 percent of motorcyclists killed in crashes were age 40 or over, compared with 44.0 percent in 2002. The number of motorcyclists age 40 and over killed in crashes increased by 78 percent from 2002 to 2011. In contrast, fatalities among young motorcyclists have declined, relative to other age groups. In 2011 fatalities in the under 30-year-old group dropped to 26.5 percent of total motorcyclists killed in crashes from 31.9 percent in 2002. Fatalities among motorcyclists in the 30-to 39-year-old group fell to 17.9 percent in 2011 from 23.9 percent in 2002. NHTSA says that the average age of motorcycle riders killed in crashes was 42 in 2011.
Age doesn't tell you experience. Lots of older guys go through mid life issues and buy cruisers as first time riders or "rode dirt bikes when they were a kid."
Posted on 8/18/14 at 6:45 am to TigerBait1127
There's truth to the impact of age. I used to ride. As I got older I realized my reflexes, sense of balance, and eyesight were diminishing. The reality of biking is that you are always watching for people to pull out in front of you and they do. I just got tired of it.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 6:46 am to bgoodwin
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Older doesn't mean "more experienced", in many cases it means "I've got money to buy an expensive toy." I know folks who have been riding more than 20yrs...and haven't learned a thing for 19 of them.
It's been my experience that Darwin's rules are very much in effect when it comes to motorcycle riders. People who do dumb things on bikes tend to not last that long.
This post was edited on 8/18/14 at 6:48 am
Posted on 8/18/14 at 6:47 am to SpidermanTUba
Motorcycles aren't dangerous if you know what you're doing. It's other drivers that are dangerous
Posted on 8/18/14 at 6:49 am to bgoodwin
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Older doesn't mean "more experienced", in many cases it means "I've got money to buy an expensive toy."
No, but I would imagine there would be a strong correlation. Can you find a statistic to back up what you said?
I would think that the accident rate should go down with experience.
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I know folks who have been riding more than 20yrs...and haven't learned a thing for 19 of them.
Well that would go against your original claim.
This post was edited on 8/18/14 at 6:51 am
Posted on 8/18/14 at 6:55 am to TigerBait1127
Nah, I'm at work, don't have time to dig around for stats right now.
My definition of experience is different than yours. My son is 19, he's been racing off road for several years, his bike control and reflexes are very sharp. Although he's only been riding on the street for a short time, his "experience" makes him a much safer rider.
My definition of experience is different than yours. My son is 19, he's been racing off road for several years, his bike control and reflexes are very sharp. Although he's only been riding on the street for a short time, his "experience" makes him a much safer rider.
This post was edited on 8/18/14 at 6:56 am
Posted on 8/18/14 at 7:08 am to Darth_Vader
My experience says that I was the fourth vehicle through the light that had been green for about 30 seconds and there was no way to see the girl unless I stopped and looked both ways. Do you stop at every intersection and look both ways before proceeding through every green light? If she didn't t-bone me, I would have t-boned her trying to avoid it. I've had multiple people that I work with lay down their bikes due to people pulling out in front of them this year. One seriously injured, one picked up his bike and came back to work. But the simple fact is, it is a lot more dangerous than driving a car. Probably the same risk of getting in an accident, but the consequences are much MUCH higher. I've been in about 3-4 wrecks in my life and I'm glad only one of them wasn't in a car. If you wan't to play the "i'm willing to take the risk, because I love to ride" menatality, that's 100% fine in my book. But don't go around acting like you are some big shot rider who can somehow make your bike fly over the car that pulls out right in front of you. Sometimes you can't do anything but take the hit.
Let me add that I can see how experience will make you safer..... but not safe. Not enough to make it worth riding for me.
Let me add that I can see how experience will make you safer..... but not safe. Not enough to make it worth riding for me.
This post was edited on 8/18/14 at 7:10 am
Posted on 8/18/14 at 7:18 am to KG6
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But don't go around acting like you are some big shot rider who can somehow make your bike fly over the car that pulls out right in front of you. Sometimes you can't do anything but take the hi
Nobody said anything about being a big shot or making bikes fly. I just gave my perspective on the subject based off my personal experience as a motorcycle rider.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 7:21 am to KG6
No superman here. I know the risks, understand the consequences, and continually try to improve my skills. Situations can go bad, very quickly, on a motorcycle.
I don't ride scared, just extremely aware of what's around me.
Like the F250 that drifted into my lane this morning, while riding to work in a thunderstorm. Had I not been paying attention to the truck,I might be laying in a hospital bed instead of being at work.
I don't ride scared, just extremely aware of what's around me.
Like the F250 that drifted into my lane this morning, while riding to work in a thunderstorm. Had I not been paying attention to the truck,I might be laying in a hospital bed instead of being at work.
This post was edited on 8/18/14 at 7:26 am
Posted on 8/18/14 at 7:23 am to TigerBait1127
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That is fine, but don't compare it to driving a car. Car fatality rate: 13.1 for 100,000 registered cars Motorcycles: 72.34 for every 100,000 registered motorcycles
That's honestly not that bad at all. I thought it was going to be like 100-200x more dangerous. It's only about 5.5 times more dangerous than driving a car. According to that ratio, you have a .0007234% chance of fatality on a motorcycle.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 7:26 am to bgoodwin
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I don't ride scared, just extremely aware of what's around me.
This is exactly what you should do at all times. Know what's going on to your front, rear, and both sides at all times.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 7:29 am to bgoodwin
I'm by no means trying to make you guys sound like you're trying to be billy bad asses. Just trying to point out that even a very experienced rider cannot always avoid an accident. I know a lot of guys who act like they won't have it happen to them, because they are just too experienced of a rider. I think that's BS. It can happen to anyone anytime. And a wreck that might dent the bumper of a car might grind the skin off of your face.
I'll admit that I was not an experienced rider, but I also have played that out thousands of times in my head, and there's not way I could have seen that car in the situation I was in. That scares the crap out of me and that's why I would never touch one again on the street. I'd ride all day off the road as I'm confident in my ability to control a motorcycle and I'm a very cautious person in general. It's the other cars.
I'll admit that I was not an experienced rider, but I also have played that out thousands of times in my head, and there's not way I could have seen that car in the situation I was in. That scares the crap out of me and that's why I would never touch one again on the street. I'd ride all day off the road as I'm confident in my ability to control a motorcycle and I'm a very cautious person in general. It's the other cars.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 7:32 am to dnm3305
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That's honestly not that bad at all. I thought it was going to be like 100-200x more dangerous. It's only about 5.5 times more dangerous than driving a car.
Not exactly since many cars have multiple passengers.
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Motorcyclists were about 26 times more likely than passenger car occupants to die in a crash per vehicle mile traveled in 2012 and five times more likely to be injured.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 7:33 am to KG6
No doubt, there are circumstances beyond our control, we can only act to minimize the risk.
Posted on 8/18/14 at 7:47 am to TigerBait1127
Riding sober, with a proper helmet, would go a long way in minimizing the mortality rate.
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