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re: More strikes ahead? Teachers say they love their jobs but can't pay their bills, poll show
Posted on 1/24/19 at 4:29 pm to 50_Tiger
Posted on 1/24/19 at 4:29 pm to 50_Tiger
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You don't have to be smart to fill in a lesson plan sheet or grade tests.
So teachers don't make the lesson plans, the lesson or the test? So where do you think these come from?
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Posted on 1/24/19 at 4:31 pm to TexasTiger08
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First, you copy and paste all of this article to crap on a 60 year old teacher’s poor math skills. Yes, he’s full of crap. That’s 1 teacher, at 1 school, in 1 district, in 1 city, etc.
Evidently, you didn't read the rest of the article.
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Secondly, it’s a myth that teachers ONLY work 9 months of the year. Most teachers work that yes, but coaches, band teachers, cheer coaches, etc begin work down here over a month before the start of school.
So they work 10 months a year with about 5 weeks vacation?
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You say, “but but...they get stipends!”
When you do put the math to it, the stipends come out to crumbs. Anybody in fine arts (at least in Texas HS’s) gives up many full Saturdays a year to judge competitions, attend mandatory camps, etc.
I once coached middle school basketball and my stipend money came out to $1.65 an hour. It is what it is, and I didn’t do it for the money, that’s for damn sure
I don't disagree with any of this.
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And lastly, I didn’t read all of your post, because you are certainly no expert when it comes to the teaching field.
And you are certainly biased
Posted on 1/24/19 at 4:33 pm to 50_Tiger
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Why should we pay individuals whom the only skillset is dictation, the same wage as someone who builds networks, power systems, and/or medical?
You don't have to be smart to fill in a lesson plan sheet or grade tests.
I know I will get downvoted to smithereens but when anyone with a brain can do your job, why should you expect specialist pay?
1. Do you have a child?
2. If so, do you care about the child?
3. If you think the education system sucks, then home school the kid.
4. Anyone with a brain? Is this how people should select babysitters? When things are done cheaply, it usually means the product will suffer. If you pay a profession poorly, the product will suffer.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 4:33 pm to CaptainBrannigan
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So teachers don't make the lesson plans, the lesson or the test? So where do you think these come from?
You certainly have guidelines and textbooks that are required use
Posted on 1/24/19 at 4:34 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
I’ll favor a biased informed opinion over a completely uninformed opinion.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 4:35 pm to TexasTiger08
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If you pay a profession poorly, the product will suffer.
What if in reality they aren't payed poorly, and the laws of supply and demand are in effect?
Posted on 1/24/19 at 4:35 pm to Klark Kent
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I’ll favor a biased informed opinion over a completely uninformed opinion.
What makes me uniformed other than disagreeing with you?
Posted on 1/24/19 at 4:36 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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So they work 10 months a year with about 5 weeks vacation?
Many teachers do, yes.
I am biased. I think the profession is underpaid. I think this goes for many other jobs as well, but that’s an entirely different discussion.
Of course I’m biased. With that said, I can make a nice living where I am and don’t claim to be to poor to live. I also think many people on this forum are biased on the other side of this argument as well.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 4:37 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
your post history
your downvote frequency
and the board’s overall disdain for your shitty opinions
that should suffice
your downvote frequency
and the board’s overall disdain for your shitty opinions
that should suffice
This post was edited on 1/24/19 at 4:39 pm
Posted on 1/24/19 at 4:40 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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What if in reality they aren't payed poorly, and the laws of supply and demand are in effect?
This varies from one district to another. I’m not sure how you are going to appropriately put a price tag on the value of each student’s education. This isn’t like college.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 4:41 pm to TexasTiger08
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I think the profession is underpaid. I think this goes for many other jobs as well, but that’s an entirely different discussion
You can think professions are underpaid, but there are many factors for teaching that make me find that untrue. Two main ones are supply and demand and extrapolating standard hours of teacher's to regular standard hours.
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. I also think many people on this forum are biased on the other side of this argument as well.
That's certainly true.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 4:41 pm to Klark Kent
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your post history
your downvote frequency
and the board’s overall disdain for your shitty opinions
that should suffice
You judge opinions on internet downvotes? That's pretty academic.
You don't like me and that's fine, partly because I frick with you and partly because you are a little pussy, but my points on here are valid and id challenge you to disprove them with data. I've said throughout the whole thread that teachers have their challenges, but that is not uniqur to teaching, but as a whole it's not a bad gig and they aren't getting hosed
This post was edited on 1/24/19 at 4:46 pm
Posted on 1/24/19 at 4:43 pm to TexasTiger08
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This varies from one district to another
Not really. I would bet you can't find 5% of districts where teachers are paid materially less than the median income for the same area.
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I’m not sure how you are going to appropriately put a price tag on the value of each student’s education.
That's not what we are measuring when talking about the pay of teacher's. There's so many things that go into that that there is no way to quantify it and how much you pay the teachers certainly isn't it.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 4:58 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
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You certainly have guidelines and textbooks that are required use
Guidelines yes. Textbook is not required. I typically only used needed it once a year. I used it as punishment more than a teaching tool. (But almost every lesson had a textbook component for students that wanted it.)
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:01 pm to TexasTiger08
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If you pay a profession poorly, the product will suffer.
Many areas pay well. Teachers are welcome to seek out those districts
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:03 pm to JumpingTheShark
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If only people went after teachers unions like they do the Catholic Church when it comes to the whole pedophilia thing...
Is this your first time on the OT? The church is routinely roasted on this board.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:05 pm to sicboy
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Why does this place hate teachers so much?
They're still bitter that their teachers wouldn't bone them in high school, and that they get their summers off.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:08 pm to TexasTiger08
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Secondly, it’s a myth that teachers ONLY work 9 months of the year. Most teachers work that yes, but coaches, band teachers, cheer coaches, etc begin work down here over a month before the start of school.
Do the schools make these teachers do this or are they deceptive about the pay related to it?
These are hobbies. A teacher knows the pay and the time commitment related to them before they take on the task. I have hobbies outside of work that take up time and I don’t get paid for them.
It’s disingenous to include coaching/extracurricular hours when arguing about the burdensome hourly load a teacher carries outside the classroom. It would be like me telling my boss that I voluntarily choose to spend 15 hours a week working at a group home and therefore I should be compensated more because of those extra hours.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:11 pm to Mingo Was His NameO
All that tells me is that instead of raises, they should all be fired, all public schools shuttered and education be privatized. The governement sucks at everything except violence.
Posted on 1/24/19 at 5:29 pm to olgoi khorkhoi
A new poll just came in.... 100% of teachers knew ahead of time the pay was low before they chose it as a major.
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