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re: Mobile I-10 bridge project and the proposed $6 toll that went with it is CANCELLED
Posted on 8/28/19 at 9:26 pm to Sun God
Posted on 8/28/19 at 9:26 pm to Sun God
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You could have still taken the tunnel if you didn’t want to pay the toll correct?
Federal law says you can’t implement a toll on an interstate for existing infrastructure...
...which is why those sneaky fricks were going to re-route I-10 across the new bridge.
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Posted on 8/28/19 at 9:27 pm to BamaSaint
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But Im glad it's canceled. frick that old hag of a governor. She fricked us on the gas tax and tried to frick us on this toll bridge
Yep. She was elected without even having to run a damn campaign just because she is a republican, and first thing she does as a Republican governor is ram a gas tax through. What??
Sad thing is a voted for her too. But she immediately lost me with the gas tax, then she tried to top it off with this.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 9:27 pm to Tiguar
quote:I like your idea better.
It was a dumb fricking plan.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 9:27 pm to lostinbr
Still waiting for a link about this
Posted on 8/28/19 at 9:29 pm to McTTiger
Wait. Consumption taxes are bad?
Sheesh. If there’s any kind of tax that’s “good” it’s one that’s directly tied to the consumption of goods and services.
Sheesh. If there’s any kind of tax that’s “good” it’s one that’s directly tied to the consumption of goods and services.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 9:29 pm to Golfer
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3. The project got overinflated for 2 main reasons. A. The DOT claimed the existing bayway had to be torn down and built 10 feet higher due to federal regulations (this was determined to be a lie and was only a suggestion by a 3rd party who advises the govt) B. The bridge was to be built 215 ft high. Which was way higher than the port authority said it needed to be. They came to that number from the cruise ship commission. 215 feet is the height necessary for the LARGEST CRUISE SHIP IN THE WORLD. (Which is absurd since Mobile can barely hang on to that shitty carnival fantasy boat)
This is my earlier post and why this project jumped from 1b to 2b. Completely unnecessary. Everyone I know was fine with them tolling the NEW bridge. But they got greedy and decided to toll the EXISTING AND PAID FOR WALLACE TUNNEL.
This post was edited on 8/28/19 at 9:32 pm
Posted on 8/28/19 at 9:32 pm to Sun God
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Still waiting for a link about this
TD thread from February
Article
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Project officials told FOX10 News that the plan will include tolls on both the new bridge and the existing Wallace Tunnel. That means the only free routes across the Mobile River will be the Cochrane Bridge or the Bankhead Tunnel.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 9:32 pm to tilco
No way the 7 miles of bayway widening and 8 lane river bridge...even at a lower height would be $1B.
Posted on 8/28/19 at 9:34 pm to lostinbr
Thank you sir 
Posted on 8/28/19 at 9:41 pm to tduecen
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Wait so $12 a day for people who had to commute over it?
New York city commuters pay $28 per day and their roads are still shitty... that's some yankee idiocy there.
This post was edited on 8/28/19 at 9:42 pm
Posted on 8/28/19 at 10:37 pm to Costanza
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Nope. They were going to toll those as well as the new bridge. The only toll avoidance option was to take the Cochran (Africatown bridge).
I didn't know you could force tolls on major Federal interstates. In Texas and other states there's the regular interstate and then the toll lanes that were added on.
Posted on 8/29/19 at 5:21 am to Costanza
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That's the thing, they were planning to outsource the toll collecting (would love to see who was getting paid off for that/and how much), and they kept adding unnecessary bicycle lanes, etc., that jacked up the price.
That is the problem with massive road projects, all those little wishful extras add up.
Then don’t forget usually a third of projects is not materials, it is also some pencil pushers drawing plan after plans as the project evolves.
I wonder how much money has been prespent on studies and designs.
Posted on 8/29/19 at 5:53 am to lostinbr
Correct. They were going to make it impossible to take I-10 and not pay $6/trip.
To most of us on here, $12/day isn’t the end of the world, but think about college students commuting to Univ. of South Alabama or hourly workers commuting to work. It would have created a big divide between the two communities.
One more example of how f’ed up this deal was, the LOSING bidders got $2 million in compensation for not winning the project.
Losing bidders on I-10 project will get up to $2 million in reimbursements
To most of us on here, $12/day isn’t the end of the world, but think about college students commuting to Univ. of South Alabama or hourly workers commuting to work. It would have created a big divide between the two communities.
One more example of how f’ed up this deal was, the LOSING bidders got $2 million in compensation for not winning the project.
Losing bidders on I-10 project will get up to $2 million in reimbursements
Posted on 8/29/19 at 7:05 am to tiger114
I wonder why they can’t build another Tunnel for less to help with that pinch point.
They can use the 2 existing tunnels for Westbound traffic and build an eastbound tunnel with 4 lanes.
The problem with the tunnel is that you have 4 lanes that drop to 2 in a short span, yes there are exits, but the road jockeys use the exit lanes to go until the split and try to merge back in. Also, the guy at ALDOT that though an on ramp with no acceleration lane near the entrance of the tunnel was a good idea should be shot.
The original tunnel cost about 50 million in 1973 (that is $275.6 million in 2017 dollars). So given inflation in the changes with modern construction methods, 300 million should build you a new tunnel. The bay bridges should also be widened because that is also another choke point. Adding a lane in each direction on the bay bridge should only cost 300 million in each direction and improvements on the other side of the bay may cost 100 million more.
They can use the 2 existing tunnels for Westbound traffic and build an eastbound tunnel with 4 lanes.
The problem with the tunnel is that you have 4 lanes that drop to 2 in a short span, yes there are exits, but the road jockeys use the exit lanes to go until the split and try to merge back in. Also, the guy at ALDOT that though an on ramp with no acceleration lane near the entrance of the tunnel was a good idea should be shot.
The original tunnel cost about 50 million in 1973 (that is $275.6 million in 2017 dollars). So given inflation in the changes with modern construction methods, 300 million should build you a new tunnel. The bay bridges should also be widened because that is also another choke point. Adding a lane in each direction on the bay bridge should only cost 300 million in each direction and improvements on the other side of the bay may cost 100 million more.
Posted on 8/29/19 at 7:57 am to Costanza
Well.....There goes just about every shot we have at a new BR Mississippi River Bridge. You know every idiot around here will use this as an example.
Posted on 8/29/19 at 8:41 am to BigPerm30
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Tolls are always stupid on interstates. Are you telling me we don't have enough money in the Federal budget for building infrastructure?
Need a new I5 bridge over the Columbia river 10 years ago so I'm guessing money is tight.
Posted on 8/29/19 at 11:44 am to LSUintheNW
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ALDOT was also proposing to toll the Wallace Tunnel. The Spanish Fort Causeway, Bankhead Tunnel and the Cochrane-Africatown Bridge were to remain the non-tolled portions of the project.
LINK
Here's a quote from the article about the project being killed. Was on my phone last night and couldn't get the link to work.
Posted on 8/29/19 at 12:17 pm to Boudreaux35
People and tolls on tOT are like oil and water...
I pay roughly 100 a month to drive around and use the tolls here in North Dallas.
Sure, it was sticker shock at first, but after seeing where my money goes, I have zero issues with it.
Projects get done in less than a year. The 7 mile widening on the PGBT near me will be done sometime in a few months when they broke ground around November last year. Have already begun the next phase from 35E to 635.
La needs infrastructure so bad :( .
I pay roughly 100 a month to drive around and use the tolls here in North Dallas.
Sure, it was sticker shock at first, but after seeing where my money goes, I have zero issues with it.
Projects get done in less than a year. The 7 mile widening on the PGBT near me will be done sometime in a few months when they broke ground around November last year. Have already begun the next phase from 35E to 635.
La needs infrastructure so bad :( .
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