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re: Missouri man wants cop charged for opening his car door while investigating car break-ins
Posted on 3/8/19 at 1:42 pm to geaux88
Posted on 3/8/19 at 1:42 pm to geaux88
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First, piss on that sniveling pussy. He should THANK the cop for being proactive.....
Proactive how??? To rummage around looking for something illegal to bust the owner? Or was he looking for a perp trying to stay warm away from the snow that the cop could probably tell from now footprints in the snow that it had or hadnt had anyone come up to it from the sidewalk.
This is bs shady on this PD
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Posted on 3/8/19 at 1:43 pm to Sao
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What if what if!
Too many?
Posted on 3/8/19 at 1:46 pm to SouthEndzoneTiger
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If a neighbor did this to me and I realized why he did that, I absolutely WOULD NOT press charges on him.
sooooo some random dude walks by and checks it you would press charges? Why does a badge change anything?
Posted on 3/8/19 at 1:47 pm to geaux88
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He should THANK the cop for being proactive.
Posted on 3/8/19 at 1:52 pm to celltech1981
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If a neighbor did this to me and I realized why he did that, I absolutely WOULD NOT press charges on him.
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sooooo some random dude walks by and checks it you would press charges? Why does a badge change anything?
Um, read my quote again......
Posted on 3/8/19 at 1:54 pm to SouthEndzoneTiger
Just saying you CANNOT advocate for liberty and then give it over arbitrarily based upon strange juju. Like someone said, Lordy, you're not going to find the thief or already "stolen property" by opening the door and rummaging. This is basic logic
Posted on 3/8/19 at 1:54 pm to SouthEndzoneTiger
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Um, read my quote again
You said if your neighbor checked. You insinuated that it would be OK if it were somebody that you know.
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sooooo some random dude walks by and checks it you would press charges?
Posted on 3/8/19 at 1:55 pm to Epic Cajun
Yeah, I'm on the wrong side of this argument....I'm getting blasted pretty good. I'm sorry, but I wouldn't charge a cop if that's all he did.
Posted on 3/8/19 at 1:56 pm to geaux88
I wouldn’t press charges against an officer in this situation either, but I also wouldn’t be happy about it and I don’t think his superiors should support his actions.
I’m not one to want to press charges for everything though.
I’m not one to want to press charges for everything though.
Posted on 3/8/19 at 1:58 pm to Displaced
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I wonder what would have happened if the cop found a big bag of pot in his vehicle.
He smelled it.
Fuzzy Dunlop left a tip.
Posted on 3/8/19 at 2:02 pm to celltech1981
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You insinuated that it would be OK if it were somebody that you know.
Oh, no, I didn't mean to insinuate that. I said neighbor because a random person in the know of what was going on would have to be someone who lived in the subdivision. So I am saying even if I don't know them. At first sure, I would be mad. But if I eventually learned what was going on and it was obvious he was just trying to see if I was a victim, I wouldn't want him charged.
Posted on 3/8/19 at 2:12 pm to SouthEndzoneTiger
At best the Cop had really dumb directions/training. Rummaging through a random car to see if anything was stolen? Sounds like they were looking for drugs/ paraphernalia or guns. It appears they were looking for something to charge people with, maybe it was innocent but it smells bad. The way people just take the cops side without any debate really shows how few actual small government/conservatives post here.
This post was edited on 3/8/19 at 2:14 pm
Posted on 3/8/19 at 2:13 pm to SPEEDY
Some of ya'll are getting your panties in a twist over nothing.
Given that they had several car burglaries in the vicinity, the cops have more than enough reasonable suspicion to check if other nearby vehicles were burglarized.
Incorrect.
A bag of weed not in plain view, sure. That's probably going to be inadmissible. A murder victim? Hell no that's not inadmissible.
1. A murder victim in a vehicle probably qualifies as plain view so opening the unlocked door without a warrant is irrelevant.
2. A murder victim in a car parked in a driveway probably qualifies under inevitable discovery anyway.
Do you realize that entire premise of a police force is that they have a different set of rules? They can arrest people, they can stop cars, they can kick in your door, they can do all sorts of shite that regular citizens can't do.
The fact that they're on duty police officers investigating criminal activities gives them legal covering for a whole bunch of shite that regular people can't get away with. Again, this is the basic foundation of police power. It's a bogus argument to say "what if a regular person did that."
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Opening a car door to a vehicle and entering the vehicle when you have no warrant or probable cause that a crime is occurring in the vehicle should definitely be frowned upon.
Given that they had several car burglaries in the vicinity, the cops have more than enough reasonable suspicion to check if other nearby vehicles were burglarized.
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This was my exact thought also, or maybe a murder victim? None of it would be admissible.
Incorrect.
A bag of weed not in plain view, sure. That's probably going to be inadmissible. A murder victim? Hell no that's not inadmissible.
1. A murder victim in a vehicle probably qualifies as plain view so opening the unlocked door without a warrant is irrelevant.
2. A murder victim in a car parked in a driveway probably qualifies under inevitable discovery anyway.
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Would a regular citizen be charged? If so the cop should be as well. He shouldn't play by a different set of rules just because he has a badge.
Do you realize that entire premise of a police force is that they have a different set of rules? They can arrest people, they can stop cars, they can kick in your door, they can do all sorts of shite that regular citizens can't do.
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So if I go around the neighborhood checking door handles and opening the doors of cars that are unlocked there is nothing wrong with it if I claim I have no 'intent'? These police officers sure do get creative to cover for their actions.
The fact that they're on duty police officers investigating criminal activities gives them legal covering for a whole bunch of shite that regular people can't get away with. Again, this is the basic foundation of police power. It's a bogus argument to say "what if a regular person did that."
Posted on 3/8/19 at 2:15 pm to SPEEDY
So that's what the kids are calling it now a days? "Trying to help the citizens"
Back in my day that was called UNWARRANTED SEARCH
I mean who needs the 4th amendment anyways.
Back in my day that was called UNWARRANTED SEARCH
I mean who needs the 4th amendment anyways.
This post was edited on 3/8/19 at 2:18 pm
Posted on 3/8/19 at 2:17 pm to celltech1981
quote:If some random dude tried to pull me over while driving or stop me demanding to talk to me for any reason, I wouldnt stop my car nor talk to that guy.
sooooo some random dude walks by and checks it you would press charges?
But if a cop tried to pull me over, i'd probably stop. Regardless of where you stand on the OP, I don't think your "random dude" analogy really works.
Posted on 3/8/19 at 2:17 pm to Huey Lewis
They have leeway but not free rein. Citizens have rights and Police power doesn’t just automatically supersede that. This is probably just the case of a bad policy that will be changed
Posted on 3/8/19 at 2:18 pm to OGtigerfan87
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At best the Cop had really dumb directions/training. Rummaging through a random car to see if anything was stolen? Sounds like they were looking for drugs/ paraphernalia or guns. It appears they were looking for something to charge people with, maybe it was innocent but it smells bad. The way people just take the cops side without any debate really shows how few actual small government/conservatives post here.
I made an assumption based on the article that there were IN FACT cars burglarized in the area. And that this cop was tasked by his superiors with investigating it. If I'm wrong on that, then maybe that changes things. My argument is based on these being facts not in question.
Posted on 3/8/19 at 2:18 pm to Epic Cajun
quote:I agree with this.
I wouldn’t press charges against an officer in this situation either, but I also wouldn’t be happy about it and I don’t think his superiors should support his actions.
If he had reason to believe a perp was hiding in there, you could argue he's doing it from a safety standpoint, maybe. But just checking to see if stuff was stolen, I think that's a no no, but I certainly wouldn't file charges.
Posted on 3/8/19 at 2:22 pm to Displaced
If they found anything, none of it would have been admissible in court. Without a warrant, it would have been considered illegal search and seizure. That being said, this dude is an a-hole and I hope he gets very little police service in the future.
Posted on 3/8/19 at 2:22 pm to Sao
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Like someone said, Lordy, you're not going to find the thief or already "stolen property" by opening the door and rummaging. This is basic logic
I agree with this 100%. But that's a different argument to me. If something was stolen, how would the cop know? The cop's investigative skills seem to be lacking, but I am of the belief he meant well.
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